Vista gamers need 2GB plus of memory

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Good point.
The Amiga was able to render raytracing 3D like in the late 80's, back then it only had a 68000, 8 megs RAM, and no hard-drive at first. I wonder what a machine like that can do now.

I wish Windows (and OSX, Linux) had some lean mode that can do some simple tasks quickly without all the bloat and overhead.
Visual Basic.NET is still too slow for even Atari 2600 type games without using DX libraries.
 
Yeah...read that article too...just gave me another reason to dislike MS, as a consumer I feel like I'm being extorted...I could handle it if 2-4GB was needed because of the shear number of apps running on a machine (i.e.; gaming, AV editing, file server, etc) but to need 800MB-1GB just to run the OS, let alone to need 2GB to get acceptable performance..almost sounds like bloatware...also wondering about the marginal costs involved with purchasing the memory as well as the opportunity cost just to run Vista...oh well...
 
thanks for the heads up.

you know its funny that Microsoft is so horrible about their releases.

Vista aka Longhorn has been in the works for god know how long. at this point it's rediculous that after about 2 + years they still havent been able to get it right. that and they had to steel again from apple, but im not going to get into that.

im probably going to stick with XP Pro for a while. hell i didn't switch from Win 98 until a year and a half after XP's SP2. lol

i truly think that this OS is going to be way over rated. but who that hell knows it could be the best thing since sliced bread. :lol: RIGHT
 
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30503

it just never ends does it :)
today 2 tommorrow 4
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Knew that since I first loaded up Vista. 1.66GHz Merom dual core, 2GB DDR2533 (667 wasn't available), 160GB SATA HD, Integrated graphics. 700MB running Vista February CTP 64-bit with nothing running. 850MB when I opened IE and had the task manager open.

If I build a new system in the next two months (which I hope to), I plan to get 2GB. Then I'll get another 2GB before I upgrade to Vista (if I do at first). Hope the motherboard and CPU makers solve the issues with running 4GB or more of RAM in 4x1GB configuration. I want to be able to overclock but have 4 sticks of memory.
 
i truly think that this OS is going to be way over rated. but who that hell knows it could be the best thing since sliced bread. :lol: RIGHT
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Not without another 2 years of development.

Personally I'm not too happy about Vista. They have a perfectly stable OS with relatively low system requirements. Do they just maintain it and improve upon it? No. They make an OS with 3x the system requirements just to run. Not only that but they say that all new upcoming technologies will only be supported on this new OS (DX10). So it forces you to upgrade.

Now I don't mind progress, but I don't feel the average consumer should NEED a dual core system with 1GB of RAM, and midrange video card, and a fast hard drive just to check their email and write word documents. My parents are staying on XP Pro thats for sure. My dad can't even use that yet much less throw a new more confusing OS at him.

And yeah Vista trys to severly rip off OSX which I hate because I don't like the interface on OSX.
 
Personaly i think that Vista is going to be ME's evil twin brother.
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It's starting to look that way. I also heard from a few in college getting their engineering degree that Vista will require a new key if too many hardware changes are made. Since I update often, I'll have to skip it, if what I'm told is true.
 
yea but also look at it this way

those upgrade will most likly force prices down to a some what reasonable level. :)

im waiting till the new AM2 and NV stuff to come out befor i make my move.
MMMMMMM quad SLI...ill be right back

alright so yea i compleatly agree. you should wath the CES gate key note if your familir with apple then you'll notice some things that have been stolen.

KHW

If that is true i swear i will go f***ing postal on Microsoft. not like i havent already :twisted:

i dont think from a leagal stand point they can do that though but you never know im just waiting for the day they start charging for updates. that will burn there last bridge and apple will rule the world :twisted: :twisted: :lol: :lol:

StrangeStranger

yea they kinda do the one thing about it is if you change your mobo for example you have to do a repair install you can still use you old CD key though.
 
To be fair, current Vista releases are Betas, so it's hardly surprising they're memory hogs.

Personally I expect to have at least 4GB of RAM in my next PC anyway: it's not as though it's hugely expensive these days and will only get cheaper.
 
I'd rather the OS force all the worlds PCs running Vista to have at least 1-2 GB of RAM, and actually dedicate 512 MB to disk caching, etc (Dynamic sizing disk cache, as now, but the minimum cache size should be raised, and some sort of pagefile buffer setup with small delay on writes possible and write combining - It does this already btw, just want more advanced smarter methods) that Microsoft saying "Yeah, It will run with 256 MB".

Using flashmedia as pagefile storage will hurt me, my 8 GB LaCie Carte flash only does 9 MB/sec (peak), and average seek on flash media is still above 25ms (no joke, was expecting 1ms when I got it). My RAID can do 160 MB/sec and seeks in 10ms (average).

http://users.on.net/~darkpeace/forum_images/RAID-0_4x300_GB_MaxtorDiamondMax.png

You don't want to see the graph for the 8 GB flash media 😛 - Compared to actual system memory, flash is pathetic, even RAID flash under Linux isn't 'that great'. The irony is mechanical devices can still outperform cost effective re-writable NV memory.

I mean look at the minimum requirements for Windows XP, we all know it needs 1 GB at least to really shine. If Microsoft force the minimum spec up just to make Vista 'shine' w/o users needing to upgrade their OEM PCs, it means the vast majority of the worlds PCs will "Just Work (tm)".

Vista as an OS is able to dedicate more resources to games from what I hear anyway... still not a fan of .NET, Java, and other bloatware frameworks, but at least this is one step forward in a journey that may never end.
 
If I build a new system in the next two months (which I hope to), I plan to get 2GB. Then I'll get another 2GB before I upgrade to Vista (if I do at first). Hope the motherboard and CPU makers solve the issues with running 4GB or more of RAM in 4x1GB configuration. I want to be able to overclock but have 4 sticks of memory.
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It isn't a motherboard issue at all, someone on these forumz is spreading FUD.

Devices need to use parts of the 32-bit address range to work, and thus those ranges can't be mapped to physical memory:
Device_Manager_Memory_Ranges_101.png

- Got Hex ?

See: http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=179467&highlight=device+manager ; for more info. Working on a FAQ for it as more and more people are asking about it / not aware of it.
 
Anyone tried that vista skin on win xp?
I just saw it in my friends room and it looks just like vista and runs a lot better.
I hope they incorporate direct X 10 into it... :lol:
 
I hope when I buy my new rig something like AM2 cpu,Nforce 5 chipset,nvidia 8 series vga :roll: ,2 x 1GB ram, sata 2 hdd it'll be able to do more than just run solitaire and minesweeper!!!
 
Meh. The only reason I see right now to upgrade to Vista will be for Halo 2. And I think that it will just be too cluttered anyway. The ability to twist and turn your windows in 3D is kind of cool, but it's really not that important. I see Vista as being not worth it.
 
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