[SOLVED] What CPU and GPU should I go with?

[INEEDTEREDO]

I was looking at getting an upgrade from my current computer, these are the specs I currently have:
-i5 8400
-GTX 1060 3gb

I upgraded my RAM, so no worries on that. I was wondering if I should go with the RYZEN 3900x, but the MSRP in Canada is $700, and the 3700x is around $450. Which one should I go with? I do plan on streaming and video editing as well, and I don't know if the 3700x will be enough, but I don't want to fork out all that money if the 3700x is good enough.
The GPU I was planning on getting was the 2070 super, but after seeing some reviews and specs of the 5700 xt I definitely want to get that instead. The only style of cooler for the 5700 xt is blowie and those things can be loud and the GPU still runs hot. Should I wait for other ibm's to put out their cards with better cooling?

 

[extreme_noob]

For 1440p and below, Ryzen 7 3700X should be more than enough, especially with the RTX 2070 super, or rx 5700xt.
You should definitely wait for better cooled cards, which come out this month. You may also encounter driver issues with the 5700xt

 

[Aeacus]

If you go with 3rd gen Ryzen CPU then do note that you'll need to buy new MoBo as well. Rather than going with X570 chipset MoBo and aditionally forking out minimum of $215 CAD (pcpp), i'd keep the Intel 300-series MoBo and go with i7-8700K that cots $30 CAD more than R7 3700X,
pcpp: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/sxDzK8,QKJtt6/
R7 3700X vs i7-8700K, comparison: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X-vs-Intel-Core-i7-8700K/4043vs3937
i5-8400 vs i7-8700K, comparison: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8400-vs-Intel-Core-i7-8700K/3939vs3937

Only reason why Core i7 doesn't catch up to R7 3700X is because it has 2 less cores and 4 less threads. Still, i7-8700K has 6/12 cores/threads, making it more than enough for all streaming and video editing needs. However, if you'd be in full time video rendering or 3D animation business then i'd look towards Threadripper CPUs since those have the sheer core/thread amount for those kinds of tasks.

And while RX 5700XT does offer better value over RTX 2070 Super, besides it's blower-type cooler with cooling and noise issues which you already pointed out, it's also a 225W GPU. With that power-hungry GPU, you'd be looking towards 700W range PSU as well. By judging what you currently have, you may have 550W or even 450W PSU in there, which is way too weak. Here, i'd go with good quality, Seasonic made PSU as well, e.g: Focus+ 750 (80+ Gold), Focus+ 750 (80+ Platinum), PRIME 750 (80+ Gold) or PRIME Ultra 750 (80+ Titanium),
pcpp: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/tnVBD3,64cMnQ,dCs8TW,cNsmP6/

Warranty wise:
Focus+: 10 years
PRIME: 12 years (includes all PRIME models: regular, Fanless, AirTouch, SnowSilent, Ultra)

All 3 of my PCs: Skylake, Haswell and AMD are also powered by Seasonic. Full specs with pics in my sig.

Also, PRIME Ultra 750 (80+ Titanium) is the best 650W PSU money can buy at current date and with it, you'll get the highest efficiency (92%), tightest voltage regulation (0.28%), longest hold-up time (30ms), lowest ripple noise (14mV) and longest warranty (12 years) there is. Fully modular cables and toggle-able Premium Hybrid fan control too.
specs: https://seasonic.com/prime-ultra-titanium
review: https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/01/15/seasonic_prime_ultra_750w_power_supply_review

 

[INEEDTEREDO]

If you go with 3rd gen Ryzen CPU then do note that you'll need to buy new MoBo as well. Rather than going with X570 chipset MoBo and aditionally forking out minimum of $215 CAD (pcpp), i'd keep the Intel 300-series MoBo and go with i7-8700K that cots $30 CAD more than R7 3700X,
pcpp: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/sxDzK8,QKJtt6/
R7 3700X vs i7-8700K, comparison: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X-vs-Intel-Core-i7-8700K/4043vs3937
i5-8400 vs i7-8700K, comparison: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8400-vs-Intel-Core-i7-8700K/3939vs3937

Only reason why Core i7 doesn't catch up to R7 3700X is because it has 2 less cores and 4 less threads. Still, i7-8700K has 6/12 cores/threads, making it more than enough for all streaming and video editing needs. However, if you'd be in full time video rendering or 3D animation business then i'd look towards Threadripper CPUs since those have the sheer core/thread amount for those kinds of tasks.

And while RX 5700XT does offer better value over RTX 2070 Super, besides it's blower-type cooler with cooling and noise issues which you already pointed out, it's also a 225W GPU. With that power-hungry GPU, you'd be looking towards 700W range PSU as well. By judging what you currently have, you may have 550W or even 450W PSU in there, which is way too weak. Here, i'd go with good quality, Seasonic made PSU as well, e.g: Focus+ 750 (80+ Gold), Focus+ 750 (80+ Platinum), PRIME 750 (80+ Gold) or PRIME Ultra 750 (80+ Titanium),
pcpp: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/tnVBD3,64cMnQ,dCs8TW,cNsmP6/

Warranty wise:
Focus+: 10 years
PRIME: 12 years (includes all PRIME models: regular, Fanless, AirTouch, SnowSilent, Ultra)

All 3 of my PCs: Skylake, Haswell and AMD are also powered by Seasonic. Full specs with pics in my sig.

Also, PRIME Ultra 750 (80+ Titanium) is the best 650W PSU money can buy at current date and with it, you'll get the highest efficiency (92%), tightest voltage regulation (0.28%), longest hold-up time (30ms), lowest ripple noise (14mV) and longest warranty (12 years) there is. Fully modular cables and toggle-able Premium Hybrid fan control too.
specs: https://seasonic.com/prime-ultra-titanium
review: https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/01/15/seasonic_prime_ultra_750w_power_supply_review

I do have that PSU that you mentioned above. should I wait until the non blower card for the 5700 xt comes out?

 

[INEEDTEREDO]

Thats what I was planning on doing, however, if I get the 3900x it may last longer than the 3700x so I wont have to upgrade for longer, is this smart?

 

[Aeacus]

Well, if you have time to wait for aftermarket versions of RX 5700 XT then sure, you can wait.

As far as CPU goes, i just don't see point spending lots of money on MoBo when switching to AMD side. If you continue on Intel side, you can go with i9-9900K (with latest BIOS on your MoBo) which is a bit better than R7 3800X and $30 CAD cheaper than R9 3900X,
comparison: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-3800X-vs-Intel-Core-i9-9900K/4047vs4028
pcpp: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/jHZFf7,tLCD4D/

At some point you need to draw the line between future proofing and cost. But if given that future proofing and multi-core performance is all that matters, go with TR 2990WX with X399 chipset MoBo and call it a day,
pcpp: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/krn2zY

 

[mdd1963]

The RX580 is a quite a bargain these days (if playing at 1080P, especially), and, there was (is?) just a sale on an EVGA RTX2060 for as low as $289...a pretty big step upward for that extra $100...

 

[INEEDTEREDO]

The RX580 is a quite a bargain these days (if playing at 1080P, especially), and, there was (is?) just a sale on an EVGA RTX2060 for as low as $289...a pretty big step upward for that extra $100...

The 2060 would simply not be enough for me, as i bought the 1060 when it was new and now I have to upgrade in such a short time. This time around, I am going with a much better GPU

 

[extreme_noob]

If you are willing to wait, you can get the custom aib versions of the rx 5700 xt, but there may still be driver issues by then.
If you want to stay with rtx, you can get an rtx 2070 or 2070 super, which would have less driver issues but cost 50-100 or 150-200 dollars more, respectively for similar performance

 

[INEEDTEREDO]

Well, if you have time to wait for aftermarket versions of RX 5700 XT then sure, you can wait.

As far as CPU goes, i just don't see point spending lots of money on MoBo when switching to AMD side. If you continue on Intel side, you can go with i9-9900K (with latest BIOS on your MoBo) which is a bit better than R7 3800X and $30 CAD cheaper than R9 3900X,
comparison: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-3800X-vs-Intel-Core-i9-9900K/4047vs4028
pcpp: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/jHZFf7,tLCD4D/

At some point you need to draw the line between future proofing and cost. But if given that future proofing and multi-core performance is all that matters, go with TR 2990WX with X399 chipset MoBo and call it a day,
pcpp: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/krn2zY

Well, I was thinking of going with a b450 with the zen 2 ryzen, could be the 3900x or the 3700x, but when the time comes if the 3900x goes on sale ill definitely be picking that up. The motherboard is a concern though, im not sure which motherboard supports the BIOS update to work with 3rd gen. My friend did the exact same thing as what I am saying but he did it with a 3600, I hope the same thing applies to the 3700x or the 3900x. But I would go with a threadripper, but if I were to stream and play games at the same time, I feel the threadripper would bottleneck me as it isnt much better for gaming compared to my 8400 if at all.
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8400-vs-AMD-Ryzen-TR-2990WX/3939vsm560423

 

[extreme_noob]

All mobos should support the bios update iirc

 

[INEEDTEREDO]

All mobos should support the bios update iirc

That should be the case, my friend went with a MSI motherboard, don't know the exact model but, he kept crashing until recently and that fixed it so I think it is safe and good to go with a b450 motherboard.

 

[Aeacus]

Gaming and streaming can be done just fine on 4/4 core/thread CPU as well. For example, take any pre-Coffee Lake Intel CPU (e.g: Kaby Lake, Skylake, Haswell, Sandy Bridge) and look towards Core i5. They all are 4/4 cores/threads. Were people unable to game and stream back then? No. Back then, only Core i7 had hyperthreading with 4/8 cores/threads that eased the workload on CPU and i don't think most gamers were rich to buy Core i7 just for streaming needs.

Point is, Core i5 and up CPUs are capable of gaming and streaming at the same time. Your i5-8400 has 6/6 cores/threads where you could easily allocate 4 cores for gaming and the other 2 for steaming. Though, for video editing, more cores/threads help only if you use CPU render, which is considerably slower (but more precise) than GPU render.

Also, most streamers nowadays use 2x PCs: gaming PC and streaming PC. With this setup, you can have high quality streaming service with little cost. It's also easier to build two PCs than trying to fit everything into one PC where price goes through the roof.

In the end, it's your money and sure, you can go with R7 3700X, R7 3800X or R9 3900X if you like.

Though, do note that even with B450 chipset MoBo, you still need latest BIOS on it if you want to use 3rd gen Ryzen CPU. Only X570 chipset MoBos doesn't need latest BIOS since they support 3rd gen Ryzen CPUs natively.

 

[INEEDTEREDO]

Gaming and streaming can be done just fine on 4/4 core/thread CPU as well. For example, take any pre-Coffee Lake Intel CPU (e.g: Kaby Lake, Skylake, Haswell, Sandy Bridge) and look towards Core i5. They all are 4/4 cores/threads. Were people unable to game and stream back then? No. Back then, only Core i7 had hyperthreading with 4/8 cores/threads that eased the workload on CPU and i don't think most gamers were rich to buy Core i7 just for streaming needs.

Point is, Core i5 and up CPUs are capable of gaming and streaming at the same time. Your i5-8400 has 6/6 cores/threads where you could easily allocate 4 cores for gaming and the other 2 for steaming. Though, for video editing, more cores/threads help only if you use CPU render, which is considerably slower (but more precise) than GPU render.

Also, most streamers nowadays use 2x PCs: gaming PC and streaming PC. With this setup, you can have high quality streaming service with little cost. It's also easier to build two PCs than trying to fit everything into one PC where price goes through the roof.

In the end, it's your money and sure, you can go with R7 3700X, R7 3800X or R9 3900X if you like.

Though, do note that even with B450 chipset MoBo, you still need latest BIOS on it if you want to use 3rd gen Ryzen CPU. Only X570 chipset MoBos doesn't need latest BIOS since they support 3rd gen Ryzen CPUs natively.

Yea I agree that you don't need many cores for streaming/gaming, but, when I try to use premire or after effects I can barley even run the damn things. I think I will be going for the 3900x when it goes on sale. Its been out of stock for a month now whenever I check, I think when it comes back into stock, it will go on sale, so we will have to wait and see.

 

[Aeacus]

Sales happen only when there's excess stock and/or item has been on sale for too long. When store wants to get rid of it, they lower the asking price. But out of stock implies on high demand. Once it comes back to stock, there won't be any sales on it. On the contrary, price may go up instead (due to the higher demand than supply). Just look what happened with GPU prices during last mining craze with extremely high demand.

Btw, if your system is filled with bloatware then it doesn't matter how good of a hardware you have - your system will be slow regardless.

 

[extreme_noob]

Many pre coffee lake processors have risen in price because they went out of production though. For example an i7 6700K costs almost as much as a Ryzen 7 3700X.

 

[Aeacus]

Many pre coffee lake processors have risen in price because they went out of production though. For example an i7 6700K costs almost as much as a Ryzen 7 3700X.

This is so with all CPUs who's production has ended. For example, i'd want to get my hands on a Haswell family i7-4790K CPU (preferably brand new) but with a price of €410 (amazon), no thank you. With the same price, i can get i7-8700K (amazon).

 

[INEEDTEREDO]

This is so with all CPUs who's production has ended. For example, i'd want to get my hands on a Haswell family i7-4790K CPU (preferably brand new) but with a price of €410 (amazon), no thank you. With the same price, i can get i7-8700K (amazon).

I just think AMD will over manufacture the processor beyond the demand of the buyers, and so maybe when demand drops and they have excess, the price will drop. But it could very easily go up as well, like I said we shall see about what is going to happen. If the price does rise then I will settle with the 3700x, it should be good enough for me for the next couple of years, but I don't want to upgrade again as I am going to college soon.