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Me too. Not a single problem. I'm on dial-up with a 9year old Gateway.
"SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
news:e57ATN5JFHA.2784@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts'
>
> the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at work.....
>
> roof is needed not rumors.
>
> I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet.
>
> "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> news:eqDybF5JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof.
> >
> > "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23cwdfB5JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > : Any particular boards?
> > :
> > : Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one
> > : saying it must be ...?
> > :
> > : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> > : news:eNc9wh4JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > : > Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc
> with
> > : > some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For
> some
> > of
> > : > the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with
all
> the
> > : > users.
> > : >
> > : > "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> > : > news:ObT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > : > : Whata's the downside of this update?
> > : > :
> > : > : "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
> > : > : news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > : > : > Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to
> > : install
> > : > : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these
> > updates
> > : in
> > : > : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on
> the
> > : other
> > : > : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711,
the
> > : > : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this
patch
> is
> > : far
> > : > : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in
> mind
> > : > that
> > : > : there have been several updates this year considered "important"
for
> > : > Windows
> > : > : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed
> out,
> > : the
> > : > : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
> > : > significant
> > : > : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably
*is*
> > : > : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure
> all
> > : the
> > : > : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not
> having
> > : this
> > : > : one patch installed.
> > : > : >
> > : > : > And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running
> WITHOUT
> > : > : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I
> > would
> > : > run
> > : > : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing
> found
> > : > other
> > : > : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is
> > being
> > : > : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
> > : > : >
> > : > : > Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but
what
> I
> > : do
> > : > : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this
> manner,
> > : > : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and
apparently
> > : > without
> > : > : testing in dial-up systems, etc.
> > : > : >
> > : > : >
> > : > : >
> > : > : > "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> > : > : news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > : > : > > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update
that
> has
> > : as
> > : > : of now
> > : > : > > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this
> > critical
> > : > : update
> > : > : > > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way
to
> > : > : compromise
> > : > : > > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and
have
> > not
> > : > : been
> > : > : > > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will
be
> a
> > : > : maximum of
> > : > : > > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is
> connected
> > to
> > : > the
> > : > : > > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running
> > because
> > : I
> > : > : am
> > : > : > > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix
but
> > : this
> > : > is
> > : > : a
> > : > : > > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while
> > : on-line.
> > : > : If
> > : > : > > programs are not responding then discover why. People you
need
> > this
> > : > : CRITICAL
> > : > : > > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with
the
> > : patch
> > : > : because
> > : > : > > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet
> cable,
> > : USB
> > : > : cable
> > : > : > > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do
> not
> > : do
> > : > : this
> > : > : > > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking
for
> > : your
> > : > : system
> > : > : > > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends
although
> I
> > : know
> > : > a
> > : > : lot
> > : > : > > about security on computers and weak access points and could
> > : probably
> > : > do
> > : > : it
> > : > : > > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with
> > keeping
> > : > the
> > : > : > > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to
try
> > and
> > : > get
> > : > : one
> > : > : > > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
> > : > : terriorists and
> > : > : > > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can
> help
> > : you
> > : > : with
> > : > : > > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
> > : > : > >
> > : > : > > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
> > : > news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > :
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past
> > week)
> > : > : > > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you
almost
> > : > : > > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
> > : background.
> > : > : > > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any
> such
> > : > update
> > : > : > > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of
> > : simply
> > : > : > > : replacing an existing file).
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is
> > : critical
> > : > : > > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
> > : > deactivating
> > : > : > > : it (via msconfig).
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
> > : KB891711.EXE?
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe
> mode
> > : to
> > : > : > > : properly install it) ?
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
> > : > : > >
> > : > : > >
> > : > :
> > : >
> > : >
> > :
> >
> >
>
Me too. Not a single problem. I'm on dial-up with a 9year old Gateway.
"SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
news:e57ATN5JFHA.2784@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts'
>
> the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at work.....
>
> roof is needed not rumors.
>
> I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet.
>
> "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> news:eqDybF5JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof.
> >
> > "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23cwdfB5JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > : Any particular boards?
> > :
> > : Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one
> > : saying it must be ...?
> > :
> > : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> > : news:eNc9wh4JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > : > Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc
> with
> > : > some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For
> some
> > of
> > : > the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with
all
> the
> > : > users.
> > : >
> > : > "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> > : > news:ObT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > : > : Whata's the downside of this update?
> > : > :
> > : > : "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
> > : > : news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > : > : > Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to
> > : install
> > : > : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these
> > updates
> > : in
> > : > : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on
> the
> > : other
> > : > : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711,
the
> > : > : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this
patch
> is
> > : far
> > : > : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in
> mind
> > : > that
> > : > : there have been several updates this year considered "important"
for
> > : > Windows
> > : > : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed
> out,
> > : the
> > : > : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
> > : > significant
> > : > : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably
*is*
> > : > : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure
> all
> > : the
> > : > : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not
> having
> > : this
> > : > : one patch installed.
> > : > : >
> > : > : > And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running
> WITHOUT
> > : > : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I
> > would
> > : > run
> > : > : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing
> found
> > : > other
> > : > : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is
> > being
> > : > : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
> > : > : >
> > : > : > Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but
what
> I
> > : do
> > : > : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this
> manner,
> > : > : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and
apparently
> > : > without
> > : > : testing in dial-up systems, etc.
> > : > : >
> > : > : >
> > : > : >
> > : > : > "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> > : > : news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > : > : > > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update
that
> has
> > : as
> > : > : of now
> > : > : > > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this
> > critical
> > : > : update
> > : > : > > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way
to
> > : > : compromise
> > : > : > > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and
have
> > not
> > : > : been
> > : > : > > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will
be
> a
> > : > : maximum of
> > : > : > > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is
> connected
> > to
> > : > the
> > : > : > > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running
> > because
> > : I
> > : > : am
> > : > : > > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix
but
> > : this
> > : > is
> > : > : a
> > : > : > > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while
> > : on-line.
> > : > : If
> > : > : > > programs are not responding then discover why. People you
need
> > this
> > : > : CRITICAL
> > : > : > > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with
the
> > : patch
> > : > : because
> > : > : > > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet
> cable,
> > : USB
> > : > : cable
> > : > : > > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do
> not
> > : do
> > : > : this
> > : > : > > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking
for
> > : your
> > : > : system
> > : > : > > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends
although
> I
> > : know
> > : > a
> > : > : lot
> > : > : > > about security on computers and weak access points and could
> > : probably
> > : > do
> > : > : it
> > : > : > > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with
> > keeping
> > : > the
> > : > : > > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to
try
> > and
> > : > get
> > : > : one
> > : > : > > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
> > : > : terriorists and
> > : > : > > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can
> help
> > : you
> > : > : with
> > : > : > > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
> > : > : > >
> > : > : > > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
> > : > news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > :
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past
> > week)
> > : > : > > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you
almost
> > : > : > > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
> > : background.
> > : > : > > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any
> such
> > : > update
> > : > : > > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of
> > : simply
> > : > : > > : replacing an existing file).
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is
> > : critical
> > : > : > > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
> > : > deactivating
> > : > : > > : it (via msconfig).
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
> > : KB891711.EXE?
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe
> mode
> > : to
> > : > : > > : properly install it) ?
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
> > : > : > >
> > : > : > >
> > : > :
> > : >
> > : >
> > :
> >
> >
>