Your Experience with Windows 10

[Rafael Mestdag]

Simply "Defer Updates" didn't cut it for me. By the way mine is Win10 Pro.

First off you need to go into your Device Manager(right click on the Windows symbol) and then once there, double click on the device that's being wrongly updated by Win10(graphics card in my case), then you click on the "Details" tab and pick from the drop-down list named "Property" the "Hardware Ids". Right click on the first line and copy it.

Now what I did was I typed "gpedit.msc" on Run and then under "Local Computer Policy" -->"Computer Configuration"-->"Administrative Templates"-->"System"-->Device Installation"-->"Device Installation Restrictions"

When there, I doubled clicked on "Prevent installations of devices that match any of these devices IDs", clicked on "Enable" and then under Options clicked on "Show", then I pasted the ID I got from Device Manager on there. That's it!

PS: You might want to disable "Prevent installation of devices not described by other policy settings", I did it.


So far do good, but I guess I'll have to wait until the next update to find out whether it's worked or not ;-)

OK...thats for updates to a specific device, not Windows updates in general.
Whole different thing.

For general updating I still don't know what to do but "Defer Updates" sure doesn't do it and it seems to be the only "solution" so far.

 

[Paul NZ]

If you want to block drivers you can run this

I had to run it because it kept trying to install Canon drivers, I had installed already.

And updating wouldnt go any further. When it kept bringing up an error

 

[USAFRet]

For general updating I still don't know what to do but "Defer Updates" sure doesn't do it and it seems to be the only "solution" so far.

With Pro, that's what you get. With Win 10 Home, you don't even get that.

 

[Rafael Mestdag]

For general updating I still don't know what to do but "Defer Updates" sure doesn't do it and it seems to be the only "solution" so far.

With Pro, that's what you get. With Win 10 Home, you don't even get that.

I'm guessing MS are doing this because they have to update Win10 at this point because even though it's out there now, it's still in development and it will be indefinitely according to themselves. So I guess the best they can offer right now is the solution I've found on the net; to stop certain devices from being(wrongly) updated. I just think they should've made it easier on the average user.

 

[USAFRet]

I'm guessing MS are doing this because they have to update Win10 at this point because even though it's out there now, it's still in development and it will be indefinitely according to themselves. So I guess the best they can offer right now is the solution I've found on the net; to stop certain devices from being(wrongly) updated. I just think they should've made it easier on the average user.

Also, because sooooo many people never updated their machines. Not to Win 10, but regular updates for Win 7 an 8.
Massive security hole.

So, for better or worse, they are forcing the issue.

 

[Rafael Mestdag]

I'm guessing MS are doing this because they have to update Win10 at this point because even though it's out there now, it's still in development and it will be indefinitely according to themselves. So I guess the best they can offer right now is the solution I've found on the net; to stop certain devices from being(wrongly) updated. I just think they should've made it easier on the average user.

Also, because sooooo many people never updated their machines. Not to Win 10, but regular updates for Win 7 an 8.
Massive security hole.

So, for better or worse, they are forcing the issue.

Exactly.

 

[The_Prophecy]

Also, because sooooo many people never updated their machines. Not to Win 10, but regular updates for Win 7 an 8.
Massive security hole.

So, for better or worse, they are forcing the issue.

Can't say I'm pleased with the whole Orwellian nature of them forcing the updates, but honestly, with so many Windows users not keeping their machines up to date, Microsoft had to force the issue. Windows users and the internet as a whole will be better for it in the end.

 

[zephyrrct]

I like the Start menu, but I haven't really been able to explore the OS with all of these driver problems. It's probably not Microsoft's fault, but I simply cannot play games with Nvidia's current drivers.

 

[The_Prophecy]

What card? Are you on driver version 353.62? I'm running that driver build with a GTX 980 and have no issues.

 

[zephyrrct]

What card? Are you on driver version 353.62? I'm running that driver build with a GTX 980 and have no issues.

Yea, driver 353.62 (I've tried older versions as well) on an evga gtx 660. I plugged in an old GT 610 I had lying around and it works perfectly on the same drivers. The 660 also worked fine on Windows 8. A few conversations with Nvidia and evga later and I'm getting sent a replacement card.

Just some more details: After about 10 minutes of gaming I'd get a message saying something like "Nvidia driver 353.62 has stopped responding and then recovered.", then freezes whatever game I'm in. Sometimes it'd outright give me a bluescreen with a DPC_watchdog_error (I traced this back to a process called nvlddmkm.sys). I've uninstalled and reinstalled the driver probably 50 times with different methods every time, no luck.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I'm assuming you DID do a full uninstall using the DDU? You may need to do a clean install of the OS rather than an upgrade, if you haven't already. So far I've seen two cases where the DDU/Clean driver install didn't work, but a full clean install of the OS followed by an immediate install of the Nvidia Win10 drivers DID work, so it's at least a good possibility.

 

[zephyrrct]

I'm assuming you DID do a full uninstall using the DDU? You may need to do a clean install of the OS rather than an upgrade, if you haven't already. So far I've seen two cases where the DDU/Clean driver install didn't work, but a full clean install of the OS followed by an immediate install of the Nvidia Win10 drivers DID work, so it's at least a good possibility.

I installed Windows 8 on a new SSD and then immediately upgraded to Windows 10. I've posted on numerous forums and this is the first time someone's suggested DDU, so let me try that.

 

[zephyrrct]

I'm assuming you DID do a full uninstall using the DDU? You may need to do a clean install of the OS rather than an upgrade, if you haven't already. So far I've seen two cases where the DDU/Clean driver install didn't work, but a full clean install of the OS followed by an immediate install of the Nvidia Win10 drivers DID work, so it's at least a good possibility.

Ran DDU and then did a clean reinstall of Windows 10, and the problem persists. I wasn't in game for more than 30 seconds before the graphics driver failed and I had to flip the power switch on the power supply to turn off the computer.

 

[Someone Somewhere]

one thing I noticed about Win 10 is that you can install it free to any new or reformatted hard drive without an installation key. simply chose to "skip this step" every time you're prompted for the key. Windows will still activate automatically. I imagine it's free because they couldn't justify all the spying and selling of your info, if u paid $99.99 for it.

It stores the activation info in the BIOS the first time you install it. If you put it on PC that hasn't previously had a properly activated copy of 10 on it, it won't activate.

Also, because sooooo many people never updated their machines. Not to Win 10, but regular updates for Win 7 an 8.
Massive security hole.

So, for better or worse, they are forcing the issue.

Can't say I'm pleased with the whole Orwellian nature of them forcing the updates, but honestly, with so many Windows users not keeping their machines up to date, Microsoft had to force the issue. Windows users and the internet as a whole will be better for it in the end.

Don't think I'd call forced updates Orwellian. Draconian, maybe. Other bits of 10 are Orwellian.

 

[guanyu210379]

Draconian and Orwellian ^o^

 

[Archgaull]

TBH, I totally get the forced updates. Occasionally I'll help some random people out with their computers, and it seems like half the problems are caused cause they haven't updated since pharaohs were in power, and mammoths walked the earth.

Microsoft seems to have made it a lot better for the uninformed user, and I'd assume at some point they're going to give some more power to the more advanced user.

 

[jimmy2gunz]

Windows 10 is meant to boot faster and perform better in games....

For those of you who have installed it so far, what would you say the biggest issues other people are going to have with the new setup? If we set up a bounty board for Windows 10 Tutorials, what would you want to see put on it?

-JP

So far for me is Sound Drivers, Xbox Controller.. I get it to work but it's a hassle ..... i hope DX12 works when it comes out

 

[Darkbreeze]

TBH, I totally get the forced updates. Occasionally I'll help some random people out with their computers, and it seems like half the problems are caused cause they haven't updated since pharaohs were in power, and mammoths walked the earth.

Microsoft seems to have made it a lot better for the uninformed user, and I'd assume at some point they're going to give some more power to the more advanced user.

That's a pretty big assumption, no offense. It seems to me that more and more, they don't want ANYBODY, knowledgeable or not, tampering with anything. Here's the OS, here's how we want it to be, now use it and quit screwing things up. Oh, by the way, we removed ALL the options that caused our forums to fill up with your stupid whiney questions, so don't try changing anything. Ok, maybe it's not THAT bad. I think abusing Microsoft after years of them abusing me is fair play though.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Windows 10 is meant to boot faster and perform better in games....

For those of you who have installed it so far, what would you say the biggest issues other people are going to have with the new setup? If we set up a bounty board for Windows 10 Tutorials, what would you want to see put on it?

-JP

So far for me is Sound Drivers, Xbox Controller.. I get it to work but it's a hassle ..... i hope DX12 works when it comes out

If you have Windows 10, then you already have DX12. Run dxdiag.exe and you'll see that it's already installed. Whether or not hardware developers provide support for any of it's features is a strictly separate issue but it should be unrelated to getting current drivers to at least work without major issues.

 

[bwallx]

I've been using tech previews of Win10 for many months and even in the early days had very few issues. My desktop is a three monitor, two nvidia graphic cards setup, with two printers, a scanner and external hard drives and a NAS.

The only issue was with the WD Cloud NAS and that was with WD itself not with the OS and eventually I dumped the awful software and just use it as an external drive!

I had the occasional glitch updating new builds with my graphics. I had to ensure all three monitors were on as half-way through an update the default screen would change for a bit then revert. If only the main screen were on, you'd think the thing had stalled and maybe reboot! nvidia were quick to bring out a Win10 WHQL and all is well.

I've read a lot about issues with Win10 and on investigation, it is clear it is usually a human problem. Some people just don't RTFM!! I sympathize with Microsoft as they have to make a technically complicated task as fool-proof as possible and take into account not just fools but all combinations of odd hardware setups. At least on my setup they succeeded.

 

[Archgaull]

TBH, I totally get the forced updates. Occasionally I'll help some random people out with their computers, and it seems like half the problems are caused cause they haven't updated since pharaohs were in power, and mammoths walked the earth.

Microsoft seems to have made it a lot better for the uninformed user, and I'd assume at some point they're going to give some more power to the more advanced user.

That's a pretty big assumption, no offense. It seems to me that more and more, they don't want ANYBODY, knowledgeable or not, tampering with anything. Here's the OS, here's how we want it to be, now use it and quit screwing things up. Oh, by the way, we removed ALL the options that caused our forums to fill up with your stupid whiney questions, so don't try changing anything. Ok, maybe it's not THAT bad. I think abusing Microsoft after years of them abusing me is fair play though.

Granted, it is an assumption, but still I think it's a fair guess.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I don't know, I don't forsee them relinquishing any of the power user options they've removed. What I DO see, is the likelihood of a plethora of "tweak" applications that return functions and behaviors to power users via third party utilities. It could go either way but I think Microsoft has thrown the gauntlet down and plans to stand by their decisions. Backlash is a scenario that may cause them to reevaluate some of those decisions in future patches or service packs however.

 

[Mike BD]

What card? Are you on driver version 353.62? I'm running that driver build with a GTX 980 and have no issues.

So,WUs won't force you to install an older driver?

 

[Archgaull]

I think above anything, Microsoft is a smart company. If you look at the original Xbox One and the backlash to that, they were smart enough to read the mood and reverse a lot of bad decisions. If enough people complain about the lack of control, they'll put some sort of additional options out there.

 

[USAFRet]

If you have Windows 10, then you already have DX12. Run dxdiag.exe and you'll see that it's already installed. Whether or not hardware developers provide support for any of it's features is a strictly separate issue but it should be unrelated to getting current drivers to at least work without major issues.

Mine still says 11.1.