[SOLVED] Help with a streaming build and recommend something more realistic please!

[GTurbo]

I am a Twitch streamer looking to go full-time and to create clips, highlights, tutorials and more for other sites like YouTube.

Below is a link to my current computer I stream with at 720p and play with at 824p (Weird resolution because my TV goes to 1080p but only display's 1536x864 according to Speccy so I just put it as a custom resolution):
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/NN8Ycf

Below is the computer I want to build but... Will the CPU be enough? Or should I really aim at saving my money for the i9-9900k/kf?

PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: Intel Core i5-9600KF 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 64.95 CFM CPU Cooler ($79.95 @ Amazon)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5 g Thermal Paste ($6.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z390M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($118.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($229.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB Black Video Card ($1049.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define Mini C TG MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA BQ 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Dell S2719DGF 27.0" 2560x1440 155 Hz Monitor ($289.99 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Sennheiser RS 185 Headphones (Purchased For $219.99)
Total: $2411.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-21 18:00 EST-0500

I want to game at 1440P and I have a 4k TV I'd like too game on too from time to time.

Thank you in advanced,
Ariel AKA GTurbo

View: https://www.twitch.tv/gturbo
if you want to support my channel

 

[NightHawkRMX]

The new i5s are not very good for streaming, and pairing an I5 with a 2080ti is very unbalanced.

The 6 threads of a 9600k sometimes max out and cause stutter in demanding games, so there is definitely no way you can stream and game simultaneously.

Look for at least an I7, or ideally look for any 3rd generation Ryzen CPU, which all demolish the 9600k for streaming.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor | $326.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler | ARCTIC Freezer 34 CO CPU Cooler | $31.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard | ASRock X570M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | $179.99 @ Amazon
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory | $60.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $204.99 @ B&H
Video Card | EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card | $689.99 @ Newegg
Case | Fractal Design Define Mini C TG MicroATX Mid Tower Case | $89.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $74.99 @ Newegg
Monitor | Dell S2719DGF 27.0" 2560x1440 155 Hz Monitor | $289.99 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $1989.91
| Mail-in rebates | -$40.00
| Total | $1949.91
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-21 18:31 EST-0500 |

Example setup for similar money.

Far superior CPU for streaming or even just games.
Cheap cooler that should be quiet.
Matx board
Same ram, good value
faster Intel 2tb NVME ssd for less than the 860 evo
Inferior GPU, but not a ton
Same case
Better PSU for simmilar money. Better quality, fully modular, 80+ gold.
same monitor.

If you want, you can drop in a 2080ti

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor | $326.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler | ARCTIC Freezer 34 CO CPU Cooler | $31.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard | ASRock X570M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | $179.99 @ Amazon
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory | $60.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $204.99 @ B&H
Video Card | MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB VENTUS OC Video Card | $999.99 @ Amazon
Case | Fractal Design Define Mini C TG MicroATX Mid Tower Case | $89.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $74.99 @ Newegg
Monitor | Dell S2719DGF 27.0" 2560x1440 155 Hz Monitor | $289.99 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $2279.91
| Mail-in rebates | -$20.00
| Total | $2259.91
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-21 18:34 EST-0500 |

 

[RodroX]

Hi there, I agree with NightHawkRMX (in almost everything), the 9600K is not the best choice of CPU out there right now, and with an RTX 2080ti is not very well balanced, in fact an RTX 2080ti is really overkill for a 8XXp resolution.
I can understand you wana have more than you need in this case. I also believe that the RTX 2080 Super should be a pretty solid choice with lots of performance and way cheaper.

But I don't agree on the cooler, I think you should either go with your first choice ( Noctua NH-D14 64.95 CFM CPU Cooler) since it will keep your system very quiet, or get something just a little better than the ARCTIC Freezer 34 CO CPU Cooler, like atleast the ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler with bigger heatpipes and two fans for only $39.99

The money you save on a cheaper RTX 2080 Super you can put it towards another M.2 SSD, like the Crucial P1 512GB, to install Windows and your main programs, so you have 2 drivers, 1 for programs, and the other one for games and video clip editing and rendering material.

Cheers.

 

[GTurbo]

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-9600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X/4031vs4043

I don't understand how considering I stream using my Geforce GTX 970 and my FX-6300... I use my 970 as the nv12 encoder

Hi there, I agree with NightHawkRMX (in almost everything), the 9600K is not the best choice of CPU out there right now, and with an RTX 2080ti is not very well balanced, in fact an RTX 2080ti is really overkill for a 8XXp resolution.
I can understand you wana have more than you need in this case. I also believe that the RTX 2080 Super should be a pretty solid choice with lots of performance and way cheaper.

But I don't agree on the cooler, I think you should either go with your first choice ( Noctua NH-D14 64.95 CFM CPU Cooler) since it will keep your system very quiet, or get something just a little better than the ARCTIC Freezer 34 CO CPU Cooler, like atleast the ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler with bigger heatpipes and two fans for only $39.99

The money you save on a cheaper RTX 2080 Super you can put it towards another M.2 SSD, like the Crucial P1 512GB, to install Windows and your main programs, so you have 2 drivers, 1 for programs, and the other one for games and video clip editing and rendering material.

Cheers.

The new i5s are not very good for streaming, and pairing an I5 with a 2080ti is very unbalanced.

The 6 threads of a 9600k sometimes max out and cause stutter in demanding games, so there is definitely no way you can stream and game simultaneously.

Look for at least an I7, or ideally look for any 3rd generation Ryzen CPU, which all demolish the 9600k for streaming.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

Don't listen to userbenchmark. They have garbage comparisons mainly comparing single threaded performance

For some more evidence, Userbenchmark show a 4 threaded $150 I3 9350k performs 10% better than a $2000 18 core and 36 threaded I9 extreme edition. Do you really think this is the case?
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-9350KF-vs-Intel-Core-i9-7980XE/4055vsm352013

 

[GTurbo]

Don't listen to userbenchmark. They have garbage comparisons mainly comparing single threaded performance

For some more evidence, Userbenchmark show a 4 threaded $150 I3 9350k performs 10% better than a $2000 18 core and 36 threaded I9 extreme edition. Do you really think this is the case?
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-9350KF-vs-Intel-Core-i9-7980XE/4055vsm352013

I’m talking about in terms of eFPS, average frames and lowest frames

 

[NightHawkRMX]

The 9600k stutters badly and has low 1% framerates even when not streaming. Streaming is just a no go as the extra load will only make this worse.

The 3700x will gave close or a little lower averages but much more stable framerate and much better streaming performance.

Tldr: Don't buy a 9600k for streaming.

 

[RodroX]

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-9600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X/4031vs4043

I don't understand how considering I stream using my Geforce GTX 970 and my FX-6300... I use my 970 as the nv12 encoder

Its quite simple, the Core i5 9600K is a very good CPU and if you wana know yes, its way, way better than your old FX-6300.

As NightHawkRMX wrote already, even tought the 9600K is a good CPU is not the best to pair with an RTX 2080TI. If you wana get a balanced system and go the intel's way, get atleast the Core i7 9700K (8 cores/8 threads) with the cooler you mention (Noctua) and buy instead the nvidia RTX 2080 Super (the money you save here you spend on the more powerfull CPU).

Either way, the Ryzen 3700X is also a huge, really huge and way better CPU than the FX-6300. And the advantage over the 9th gen Intel's Core i5 and i7 is that the Ryzen comes with SMT enable, its an 8 Cores / 16 Threads cpu. What does it mean to you?, simple you have more resources availables to work with, specially when you do many things at the same time. The 3700X should give you better 1% lows and thats whats going to give you a more smooth gameplay.

I used to own a Core i5 3570 which was in all scenarios faster than your FX-6300, a few months ago I was able to get a Ryzen 5 3600 (6 cores / 12 threads), which is (when playing at 1080p) a bit slower in some games than the 9600K, equal in others and better in some of them. But man what a huge diference over the Core i5 3570 I used to play with!. And the few times I do some personal video editing and rendering its way, way faster than the old Core i5.

Heres a nice review from Steve Walton (Hardware Unboxed - youtube): https://www.techspot.com/review/1871-amd-ryzen-3600/

Why I linked that review, well because there is the Ryzen 7 3700X results there too, and you will be able to see how the 9600K compares in workloads and games with the Ryzen 7. Heck the 3700X is better than my R5 3600 and even wins over the Core i7 8700K in some games.

 

[GTurbo]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/GTurbo/saved/#view=DMYvWZ

Is this a 9.9/10 build?

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 3.9 GHz 8-Core Processor ($354.99 @ Amazon)

CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5 g Thermal Paste ($6.99 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: ASRock X570M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Amazon)

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($204.99 @ B&H)

Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB Founders Edition Video Card ($639.99 @ Best Buy)

Case: Fractal Design Define Mini C TG MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ Newegg)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($10.00)

Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($58.29 @ Amazon)

Monitor: Dell S2719DGF 27.0" 2560x1440 155 Hz Monitor ($289.99 @ Amazon)

Headphones: Sennheiser RS 185 Headphones (Purchased For $219.99)

Total: $2289.18 - The Headphones

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-22 11:09 EST-0500

Its quite simple, the Core i5 9600K is a very good CPU and if you wana know yes, its way, way better than your old FX-6300.

As NightHawkRMX wrote already, even tought the 9600K is a good CPU is not the best to pair with an RTX 2080TI. If you wana get a balanced system and go the intel's way, get atleast the Core i7 9700K (8 cores/8 threads) with the cooler you mention (Noctua) and buy instead the nvidia RTX 2080 Super (the money you save here you spend on the more powerfull CPU).

Either way, the Ryzen 3700X is also a huge, really huge and way better CPU than the FX-6300. And the advantage over the 9th gen Intel's Core i5 and i7 is that the Ryzen comes with SMT enable, its an 8 Cores / 16 Threads cpu. What does it mean to you?, simple you have more resources availables to work with, specially when you do many things at the same time. The 3700X should give you better 1% lows and thats whats going to give you a more smooth gameplay.

I used to own a Core i5 3570 which was in all scenarios faster than your FX-6300, a few months ago I was able to get a Ryzen 5 3600 (6 cores / 12 threads), which is (when playing at 1080p) a bit slower in some games than the 9600K, equal in others and better in some of them. But man what a huge diference over the Core i5 3570 I used to play with!. And the few times I do some personal video editing and rendering its way, way faster than the old Core i5.

Heres a nice review from Steve Walton (Hardware Unboxed - youtube): https://www.techspot.com/review/1871-amd-ryzen-3600/

Why I linked that review, well because there is the Ryzen 7 3700X results there too, and you will be able to see how the 9600K compares in workloads and games with the Ryzen 7. Heck the 3700X is better than my R5 3600 and even wins over the Core i7 8700K in some games.

The 9600k stutters badly and has low 1% framerates even when not streaming. Streaming is just a no go as the extra load will only make this worse.

The 3700x will gave close or a little lower averages but much more stable framerate and much better streaming performance.

Tldr: Don't buy a 9600k for streaming.

 

[RodroX]

I would skip the Ryzen 7 3800X is a waste of money which only gives you ~1% more performance compared to the 3700X. As for the thermal paste, I like the MX-4 more

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($326.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Thermal Compound: ARCTIC MX-4 2019 Edition 4 g Thermal Paste ($6.94 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X570M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($204.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB Founders Edition Video Card ($639.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Fractal Design Define Mini C TG MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($10.00)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($58.29 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Dell S2719DGF 27.0" 2560x1440 155 Hz Monitor ($289.99 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Sennheiser RS 185 Headphones (Purchased For $219.99)
Total: $2261.13
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-22 11:20 EST-0500

 

[g-unit1111]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/GTurbo/saved/#view=DMYvWZ

Is this a 9.9/10 build?

You're still throwing your money away with any extra thermal compound. Any decent cooler you buy should include stuff that's better than Arctic Silver. And then if you're streaming, DO NOT use Wifi. You will be making a huge mistake doing that. Always use the hard wired connection on your motherboard - it's there for a reason and it will provide a much faster and more stable connection.

 

[GTurbo]

You're still throwing your money away with any extra thermal compound. Any decent cooler you buy should include stuff that's better than Arctic Silver. And then if you're streaming, DO NOT use Wifi. You will be making a huge mistake doing that. Always use the hard wired connection on your motherboard - it's there for a reason and it will provide a much faster and more stable connection.

The wi-fi card is for bluetooth for Xbox One controllers lol... or headsets...

I would skip the Ryzen 7 3800X is a waste of money which only gives you ~1% more performance compared to the 3700X. As for the thermal paste, I like the MX-4 more

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($326.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Thermal Compound: ARCTIC MX-4 2019 Edition 4 g Thermal Paste ($6.94 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X570M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($204.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB Founders Edition Video Card ($639.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Fractal Design Define Mini C TG MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($10.00)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($58.29 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Dell S2719DGF 27.0" 2560x1440 155 Hz Monitor ($289.99 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Sennheiser RS 185 Headphones (Purchased For $219.99)
Total: $2261.13
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-22 11:20 EST-0500

With that being said though the 3800x is only 8% better than the 3600 (non-x). I've also been hearing the memory controller on the 3600, 3600x, 3700x & 3800x memory bandwidth has a high latency and is limited compared to intels causing less of a performance in gaming when comparing the i7-9700K vs 3800x the 3800x was 10% worse in gaming performance but 30% better in multi-tasking speed due to the memory controllers.

Has that changed? because if that's the case why not go 3900x and and spend $500 on CPU to make up for the $650 GPU?

I also used MX-4 on my fx-6300 clocked to 4.8GHz and I'm under temp with a hyper 212 Evo with no throttling or overheating. So I feel like it's still a good choice. I wanted to use it when I give away my current build on Twitch to make sure the 970 and fx-6300 stay stable for another few years for whoever has it.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

With that being said though the 3800x is only 8% better than the 3600 (non-x).

For gaming.
For gaming+streaming that can leverage the extra cores of the 3800x, the difference will be greater.

The latency and bandwith is not great, but not bad at all. You can go 3900x if you want for streaming, but id go 3700x/3800x

 

[Gmoney06ss]

If you get the noctua cooler, it will come noctua nt-1 compound. Better than the mx4, and enough for a couple applications.

I can almost guarantee that if you're still on a 6300 you would not notice the few percent less the ryzen gives for performance while gaming. The new setup will be so much better than old those comparisons seem moot.

 

[g-unit1111]

The wi-fi card is for bluetooth for Xbox One controllers lol... or headsets...

Uh... what? Wifi cards are for internet access, they will not operate peripherals. I think you are getting Wifi cards and Bluetooth adapters confused, these are two completely different things.

 

[GTurbo]

Uh... what? Wifi cards are for internet access, they will not operate peripherals. I think you are getting Wifi cards and Bluetooth adapters confused, these are two completely different things.

It has Bluetooth 4.0, they'll operate good with Bluetooth 4.0, I don't think they make Bluetooth or Xbox One Controller adapters for PCI/PCI-e. Most modern Wifi Cards include Bluetooth 2.0/3.0/4.0 band capability. You can also tether them to a Bluetooth device such as a tablet and transfer files or give them access to your bluetooth by bridging the connection thus creating less chaos on the wifi network

For gaming.
For gaming+streaming that can leverage the extra cores of the 3800x, the difference will be greater.

The latency and bandwidth is not great, but not bad at all. You can go 3900x if you want for streaming, but id go 3700x/3800x

So basically the setup with the 3700x will be best to go with? Let's say I fall short on budget. Should I go 3600 or should I go with a 2070? Also, what RAM speed do you recomend with the CPUs? I heard people say the Ryzen CPUs are rated for a higher RAM speed than they actually benefit from.

Some people said the 3600 can handle up to 3200 and anything above is a waste, but I've seen videos where 4200/3800/3200 were compared and 4200 recieved the best FPS average and low 1% compared to the others in any CPU intense game/program regardless of CL

If you get the noctua cooler, it will come noctua nt-1 compound. Better than the mx4, and enough for a couple applications.

I can almost guarantee that if you're still on a 6300 you would not notice the few percent less the ryzen gives for performance while gaming. The new setup will be so much better than old those comparisons seem moot.

I was thinking of getting the noctua 14/15 but during my research I found you need to purchase a separate AM4 adapter with them I'd rather look for something compatible out the box. Do you have other suggestions? The h100i RGB looks cool but is it quite too?

 

[Gmoney06ss]

The noctua now include the correct am4 bracket. You'd just have to make sure wherever you purchase from has new stock. From the website, says now includes bracket as of 2019, so most retailers will have the correct packaging.
https://noctua.at/en/nh-d15/specification

I had an older h100 version. It was quite to me. And the newer ones include better fans. I cant speak on noise levels from the newer models though. Also noise has never really been a huge concern of mine, so I rarely pay attention to noise levels. I'd watch some reviews and see what folks are saying about it. It's a solid cooler though. And you could always replace the fans with better/quieter fans.