Question Help with PC/Gaming Input Lag

[saint666]

I have the following gaming setup

- CPU: Intel Core i5-12600K
- Mobo: MSI MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI -
- RAM: G.Skill Trident Z 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL14 Memory
- Storage: Western Digital 1TB WD Blue SN550 NVMe Internal SSD
- GPU: MSI GAMING X SLIM GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER
- PSU: Corsair PSU RM850e 2023 (New)
- OS : Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (fully updated as of today)
- Monitor : LG OLED 65 C1 (Updated)
- HDMI Cable HDCP 2.2&2.3

The PC around 9 months old .. it was originally installed with ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7800 X.. but it was really unstable.. so I switched to the Nvidia GPU

After the change I noticed a significant input lag in games (Forza Horizon 5)... I switched off all sync options.. there was a slight improvement but still there was a noticeable lag compared 7800XT.. in addition Im getting jittery graphics/ screen tearing.. and now im compleetly lost

ive also noticed on sevrela pccasion the teh audio is out of sync with video (e.g youtube via chrome).. not sure if that is related

I have attached the Nvidia control panel settings..

Nvedia Control Panel 1
Nvedia Control Panel 2
Nvedia Control Panel 3

I would appreciate if you can guide me how to resolve this issue and what changes i need to make

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Hey there,

So, are you running any OC's on the CPU or GPU? If so, take them off, and test again.

What powerprofile are you running? Are all system drivers, including chipset up to date? What bios are you running on the mobo?

Default the nVIdia CP to default by restoring. Is the issue persistent if using G-sync?

 

[saint666]

Hey there,

So, are you running any OC's on the CPU or GPU? If so, take them off, and test again.

What powerprofile are you running? Are all system drivers, including chipset up to date? What bios are you running on the mobo?

Default the nVIdia CP to default by restoring. Is the issue persistent if using G-sync?

No OC on CPU or GPU ...

Power Profile is balanced ... Like before

Nvidia CP settings are attached in original post.... all syncs V sync and G sync deactivated to increase response...

MOBO was updated a few months ago.. The PC is 9 MONTHS OLD .. no lag when 7800XT was installed.. i just changed the GPU.. the 4070 Ti S is better GPU so there should not be a drop in performance

it was ver laggy when it was on Nvid CP was on default..

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

No OC on CPU or GPU ...

Power Profile is balanced ... Like before

Nvidia CP settings are attached in original post.... all syncs V sync and G sync deactivated to increase response...

MOBO was updated a few months ago.. The PC is 9 MONTHS OLD .. no lag when 7800XT was installed.. i just changed the GPU.. the 4070 Ti S is better GPU so there should not be a drop in performance

it was ver laggy when it was on Nvid CP was on default..

When you say mobo was updated, are you referring to the bios? If so, what revision. You can check this with CPU-z and the mainboard tab.

Keep nVidia CP at default. There's no point in introducing too many factors, so we can find where your issue lies.

Have you tried the High performance power profile?

Are all system drivers, including chipset up to date?

? Chipset, Lan, etc - Or is this what you mean by mobo updated? Either way. You need to have all updates installed, so we can rule out these things. So the latest versions here : https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-Z690-EDGE-WIFI/support#driver

Bios here: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-Z690-EDGE-WIFI/support#bios

What windows version are you running? Is this up to date too?

 

[saint666]

When you say mobo was updated, are you referring to the bios? If so, what revision. You can check this with CPU-z and the mainboard tab.

Keep nVidia CP at default. There's no point in introducing too many factors, so we can find where your issue lies.

Have you tried the High performance power profile?


? Chipset, Lan, etc - Or is this what you mean by mobo updated? Either way. You need to have all updates installed, so we can rule out these things. So the latest versions here : https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-Z690-EDGE-WIFI/support#driver

Bios here: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-Z690-EDGE-WIFI/support#bios

What windows version are you running? Is this up to date too?

Yes... everything ... Please understand that there was NO input lag with 7800XT... only thing that changed was the GPU and GPU driver. .. input delay was instantly felt ...its not an issue over time..

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Yes... everything ... Please understand that there was NO input lag with 7800XT... only thing that changed was the GPU and GPU driver. .. input delay was instantly felt ...its not an issue over time..

Yes, I understand that.

The point is, we need to get your system as close to default hardware wise, so we can rule those things out. If you don't want to try the suggestions, then just RMA the card. I can only go so fast to diagnose. But if you aren't clear or specific, that makes things difficult.

1. Did you use DDU to uninstall the Radeon driver?
2. How did you update the bios, and what is the current version? There may be a bug in an older version that could cause this issue.
3. When did you last update your drivers? If it was months ago, then there are already new ones available. You need to download these and install them, so we can rule those out too!

 

[saint666]

1. Did you use DDU to uninstall the Radeon driver?

Yes

2. How did you update the bios, and what is the current version? There may be a bug in an older version that could cause this issue.

I appreciate going through the troubleshooting process.. but how come there was no input lag with the same bios/chipset and all other drivers when using 7800XT??..

Its the same system..clearly lag happened/happeneing cos the GPU changed not cos drivers is not up to date..

I spent money on new/better GPU and is im getting a slower response with the same system... thats my main concern

Also... I did not want to make the updates as I don't want to create any other variables/issues...

3. When did you last update your drivers? If it was months ago, then there are already new ones available. You need to download these and install them, so we can rule those out too!

The GPU drivers were upto date when the GPU was installed

 

[saint666]

I have the following gaming setup

- CPU: Intel Core i5-12600K
- Mobo: MSI MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI -
- RAM: G.Skill Trident Z 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL14 Memory
- Storage: Western Digital 1TB WD Blue SN550 NVMe Internal SSD
- GPU: MSI GAMING X SLIM GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER
- PSU: Corsair PSU RM850e 2023 (New)
- OS : Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (fully updated as of today)
- Monitor : LG OLED 65 C1 (Updated)
- HDMI Cable HDCP 2.2&2.3

The system was originally installed with ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7800 X.. but it was really unstable.. so I switched to the Nvidia GPU..

After switching to the Nvidia GPU, straight away noticed an input lag ... which gets worst after a few hours of use. The system seems to slow down and start experiencing input lag in games and Audio becomes out of sync while watching video (online or from a file)... This despite the system is only utilizing 45% of is memory

It gets so bad that I'm forced to restart the PC ... and upon restart there is an instant improvement

I tried the following things to resole the issue
1) full/clean installation of widows ... so all software and drivers are up-to-date
2) installed different versions of the GPU driver (using DDU)
3) I switched off all sync options

I don't think it's Mobo issue for the following reasons:
a. System response was excellent with 7800 X GPU
b. upon re-starting the system … Audio synchronicity returns and the lag decreases significantly

Please click on the below link to access a folder with several screenshots from system including
1 Device Manager
2 Task Manager
3 windows settings
4 Latency Mon
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/i2im...ey=f4z1lma36lxx7k0xxjfh8i8mi&st=dsxvc2yc&dl=0

Please Please your help would be appreciated

 

[Ralston18]

My thought is that the lag increases because some system resource is being consumed and/or not being released when not needed.

You are on the right track with respect to using the tool window screenshots that you provided.

You can also use Resource Monitor.

However the tools may be getting in each other's way if you run multiple tools at the same time.

(Note: another tool you can use is Process Explorer - Microsoft, free.)

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer

Tools with graphs may prove more helpful.

Open the tool window immediately after a start or restart. Leave the tool window open and viewable. Work/game as usual while watching the tool window.

Look for what changes when/as the lagging begins.

It may take a bit of trial and error to work out a consistent method that works for you. No rush - take your time and be observant.

Watch for something that may be running in the background or even launch during troubleshooting.

Maybe some backup, update, or an app simply attempting to "phone home".

In any case, simply grabs system resources and slows the system down. Could be buggy or corrupt.

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As another note: manually download device drivers directly from the applicable manufacturer's website.

Install, and configure device drivers yourself. No third party tools or installers so you have full control of driver installation.

 

[Lutfij]

Please stick to one thread to help keep things concise and on topic. Multiple threads will only induce spaghetti brains.