Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

[de5_Roy]

Making a Sandwich out of Intel's Skylake
http://semiaccurate.com/2015/08/28/making-a-sandwich-out-of-intels-skylake/

The Intel Skylake i7-6700K Overclocking Performance Mini-Test to 4.8 GHz
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9533/intel-i7-6700k-overclocking-4-8-ghz
The Intel Broadwell Xeon E3 v4 Review: 95W, 65W and 35W with eDRAM
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9532/the-intel-broadwell-xeon-e3-v4-review-95w-65w-35w-1285-1285l-1265

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Intel Skylake-S Mainstream Desktop Processor Lineup Launching on 1st September - Core i3-6100 and Pentium G4400 Detailed
http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-s-mainstream-desktop-processor-lineup-launching-september-1/
Minix Z series with Pentium 3700 pictured
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/38588-minix-z-series-with-pentium-3700-pictured

 

[danlw]

6700k available now at www.allstarshop.Com. $380.95

 

[Matt Boehm]

6700k available now at www.allstarshop.Com. $380.95

This price gouging should be illegal. There is a retail price of $350 - $360 for this thing and any legitimate business selling it for a premium is just ridiculous

 

[gamerk316]

Price Gouging = Capitalism.

 

[fudgecakes99]

380? Thats how much it cost me on amazon with tax and 1 day shipping. i think i can wait a few days for the stock to come back.

 

[danlw]

Got my i7 today, already installed and ran a benchmark. 3Dmark scores are a little higher, but the physics scores enjoyed a not insignificant boost. But saving a video in Windows Movie Maker...

i5 6600K 4GHz OC
Save a 1GB video: 2:34
4.4GHz OC: 2:29

i7 6700k @4GHz (with 4.2GHz turbo boost)
Save a 1GB Video: 1:50

So looks like you don't need expensive programs to realize a benefit from HyperThreading.

 

[jdwii]

Got my i7 today, already installed and ran a benchmark. 3Dmark scores are a little higher, but the physics scores enjoyed a not insignificant boost. But saving a video in Windows Movie Maker...

i5 6600K 4GHz OC
Save a 1GB video: 2:34
4.4GHz OC: 2:29

i7 6700k @4GHz (with 4.2GHz turbo boost)
Save a 1GB Video: 1:50

So looks like you don't need expensive programs to realize a benefit from HyperThreading.

It's always been that way for those applications. Handbrake for example.

 

[de5_Roy]

Intel goes back to developer roots at IDF
http://semiaccurate.com/2015/09/01/intel-goes-back-developer-roots-idf/

Intel: No plans for a socketed Skylake with eDRAM
http://techreport.com/news/28950/intel-no-plans-for-a-socketed-skylake-with-edram
Republic of Gamers laptops power up with Skylake CPUs
http://techreport.com/news/28962/republic-of-gamers-laptops-power-up-with-skylake-cpus
MSI infuses its gaming laptops with Skylake CPUs
http://techreport.com/news/28959/msi-infuses-its-gaming-laptops-with-skylake-cpus
H170 and B150 chipsets arrive on Asus' mainstream Skylake mobos
http://techreport.com/news/28960/h170-and-b150-chipsets-arrive-on-asus-mainstream-skylake-mobos
Core M-based Compute Stick coming early next year
http://techreport.com/news/28961/core-m-based-compute-stick-coming-early-next-year
The Skylake Core i3-6320 is the gamer's new best friend
http://techreport.com/news/28957/the-skylake-core-i3-6320-is-the-gamer-new-best-friend

Intel quietly introduces Atom Z3590 processor
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2015/2015090101_Intel_quietly_introduces_Atom_Z3590_processor.html

The Intel Skylake Mobile and Desktop Launch, with Architecture Analysis
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9582/intel-skylake-mobile-desktop-launch-architecture-analysis

Acer thumps Nvidia on its shield
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/notebooks/38625-acer-thumps-nvidia-on-its-shield

 

[Cazalan]

de5_Roy doing a great job of keeping up with the news.

This one looks neat for a new type of NUC. Unfortunately they never seem to catch on but fun to look at.

http://fudzilla.com/news/38632-acer-unveils-new-revo-build-nuc-at-ifa-2015

Spoiler

 

[de5_Roy]

hey i read the paper too, y' kno! [emoticon so that people understand i was attempting humor].
here's something actually funny:
Intel 'launches' 46 Skylake SKUs
http://semiaccurate.com/2015/09/02/intel-launches-46-skylake-skus/
and on-topic too!

 

[jimmysmitty]

It is interesting to read Anandtech comments. One guy was adamant that Skylake in no way could come close to the XB1 or beat a AMD A10 in the mobile space.

I think with the 72 EU Skylake it could come close to the XB1. It has a lot of advantages; stronger CPU, faster RAM, faster interconnecting buses. It would be interesting to see TBH.

 

[jdwii]

It is interesting to read Anandtech comments. One guy was adamant that Skylake in no way could come close to the XB1 or beat a AMD A10 in the mobile space.

I think with the 72 EU Skylake it could come close to the XB1. It has a lot of advantages; stronger CPU, faster RAM, faster interconnecting buses. It would be interesting to see TBH.

You mean the xbox one, Isn't that like 7790? Xbox one has like 68GB of bandwidth. Not a xbox fan just saying even if a A10 can pull that off i'd be amazed but with Intel? Of course i mean with mainstream CPU's to not some crazy expensive ones.

 

[jimmysmitty]

It is interesting to read Anandtech comments. One guy was adamant that Skylake in no way could come close to the XB1 or beat a AMD A10 in the mobile space.

I think with the 72 EU Skylake it could come close to the XB1. It has a lot of advantages; stronger CPU, faster RAM, faster interconnecting buses. It would be interesting to see TBH.

You mean the xbox one, Isn't that like 7790? Xbox one has like 68GB of bandwidth. Not a xbox fan just saying even if a A10 can pull that off i'd be amazed but with Intel? Of course i mean with mainstream CPU's to not some crazy expensive ones.

True but if you look at the GFLOPS of the 72 EU Skylake GPU it is very close to that of the XB1 APU. The CPU in both the XB1 and PS4 really hold their GPUs back.

Of course this is to be seen but I think it could get close. It beats a R7 250 and is nipping the heals of a GTX 750 (Broadwell) and that is with 48 EUs vs 72 EUs and without the improvements Skylake makes to the way the eDRAM is accessed.

 

[fudgecakes99]

Well amazon finally got a stock of it's i7's i should expect it in the mail this monday. Are the console cpu's really that amazing?

 

[Turb0Yoda]

All they really are are octa core AMD CPU's. I mean, I'd expect it to perform similar to the fx-8350... I haven't looked into it myself. I'd actually think they'd be less powerful, but I don't recall the TDP or clock speeds, and I don't think anyone benchmarked the XB1. Theoretically you could slap Linux or Windows onto it...

 

[jdwii]

Well amazon finally got a stock of it's i7's i should expect it in the mail this monday. Are the console cpu's really that amazing?

Lol no Jimmy and I were talking about GPU's the CPU is a joke. A 8 core jaguar CPU at 1.6Ghz.

 

[gamerk316]

All they really are are octa core AMD CPU's. I mean, I'd expect it to perform similar to the fx-8350... I haven't looked into it myself. I'd actually think they'd be less powerful, but I don't recall the TDP or clock speeds, and I don't think anyone benchmarked the XB1. Theoretically you could slap Linux or Windows onto it...

The CPUs of the XB1/PS4 are theoretically capable of about 105 GFLOPs peak performance. To put that in perspective, the 360's CPU could push 110 GFLOPs, and the PS3's cell had a theoretical maximum of 240 GFLOPs, with ~170 being the more realistic number.

So yeah, the CPUs on the current consoles are cripples.

 

[-Fran-]

The CPUs of the XB1/PS4 are theoretically capable of about 105 GFLOPs peak performance. To put that in perspective, the 360's CPU could push 110 GFLOPs, and the PS3's cell had a theoretical maximum of 240 GFLOPs, with ~170 being the more realistic number.

So yeah, the CPUs on the current consoles are cripples.

Before getting onboard the hate bandwagon, remember the power restrictions put in place.

And also, remember Fiji has more FLOPs than GM210. Theoretical computing power goes as far as how good Devs are at extracting every single FLOP they can. The more complex the uArch is to achieve it, the harder it will be.

In regards to Intel's iGPUs. They've been making improvements, no denying that, but their design is not changing at the core of the iGPU itself. Meaning they're just slapping more of the same EUs (little to no rework from previous gens) using the advantage new process gives to put more. Plus your fixed pipelines to handle some of the load and call it a new iGPU. I do remember reading about they wanting to drop the license from Imagination (PowerVR GPU makers) and move to their own thing, but I don't know how that will pan out and when.

Cheers!

 

[jimmysmitty]

The CPUs of the XB1/PS4 are theoretically capable of about 105 GFLOPs peak performance. To put that in perspective, the 360's CPU could push 110 GFLOPs, and the PS3's cell had a theoretical maximum of 240 GFLOPs, with ~170 being the more realistic number.

So yeah, the CPUs on the current consoles are cripples.

Before getting onboard the hate bandwagon, remember the power restrictions put in place.

And also, remember Fiji has more FLOPs than GM210. Theoretical computing power goes as far as how good Devs are at extracting every single FLOP they can. The more complex the uArch is to achieve it, the harder it will be.

In regards to Intel's iGPUs. They've been making improvements, no denying that, but their design is not changing at the core of the iGPU itself. Meaning they're just slapping more of the same EUs (little to no rework from previous gens) using the advantage new process gives to put more. Plus your fixed pipelines to handle some of the load and call it a new iGPU. I do remember reading about they wanting to drop the license from Imagination (PowerVR GPU makers) and move to their own thing, but I don't know how that will pan out and when.

Cheers!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/4

But it is changing. Along with the changes listed there, the eDRAM acts differently and is probably faster than in Broadwell even.

 

[-Fran-]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/4

But it is changing. Along with the changes listed there, the eDRAM acts differently and is probably faster than in Broadwell even.

Lipstick on a pig... A fatter pig.

I still haven't seen anything interesting in regards to Intel's iGPU workings, only incremental improvements. Welcome ones at that, but nothing that will lead me to believe they'll take the market by storm any time soon. And in regards to eDRAM, it's a smart move, but outside of the iGPU itself. Simple and expensive, but not mind blowing 😛

Cheers!

 

[juanrga]

The CPUs of the XB1/PS4 are theoretically capable of about 105 GFLOPs peak performance. To put that in perspective, the 360's CPU could push 110 GFLOPs, and the PS3's cell had a theoretical maximum of 240 GFLOPs, with ~170 being the more realistic number.

So yeah, the CPUs on the current consoles are cripples.

Before getting onboard the hate bandwagon, remember the power restrictions put in place.

In about same power and die are they could introduce four wider cores instead eight narrow cores and that would be better choice. But they lacked the tech.

 

[-Fran-]

The CPUs of the XB1/PS4 are theoretically capable of about 105 GFLOPs peak performance. To put that in perspective, the 360's CPU could push 110 GFLOPs, and the PS3's cell had a theoretical maximum of 240 GFLOPs, with ~170 being the more realistic number.

So yeah, the CPUs on the current consoles are cripples.

Before getting onboard the hate bandwagon, remember the power restrictions put in place.

In about same power and die are they could introduce four wider cores instead eight narrow cores and that would be better choice. But they lacked the tech.

Nope. They did have the K10 design, but instead went for a derivation of Brazos (Bobcat? Deccan?). They put the "TDP budget" in another place, that is all. Also, remember it wasn't only AMD calling the shots for the XB1 APU design; Microsoft also had a lot of what they wanted, same goes for the PS4.

Cheers!

 

[fudgecakes99]

Yeah i've noticed a lot of console apu's are made by amd. Though if we look at the trends of things, that said i'm still skeptical about 8 gigs of gddr5. I mean sure they can try to make games look prettier to an extent, even with software tweaks i don't think i'll see any leaps or bounds in console games until the next console. I'm pretty sure their at their limits.

 

[con635]

Yeah i've noticed a lot of console apu's are made by amd. Though if we look at the trends of things, that said i'm still skeptical about 8 gigs of gddr5. I mean sure they can try to make games look prettier to an extent, even with software tweaks i don't think i'll see any leaps or bounds in console games until the next console. I'm pretty sure their at their limits.

Have you been following the nvidia/async/aots thing? It appears there is more left in the consoles, not anything revolutionary but from what some devs have said around 30%.

 

[fudgecakes99]

Yeah i've noticed a lot of console apu's are made by amd. Though if we look at the trends of things, that said i'm still skeptical about 8 gigs of gddr5. I mean sure they can try to make games look prettier to an extent, even with software tweaks i don't think i'll see any leaps or bounds in console games until the next console. I'm pretty sure their at their limits.

Have you been following the nvidia/async/aots thing? It appears there is more left in the consoles, not anything revolutionary but from what some devs have said around 30%.

That only pertains to dx 12 and i don't think ps4 has that capibility. Even then the articles i've seen state specific iterations of gpu's. Unless consoles had that kind of cutting edge tech that even now is barely released in newer models. I doubt we'll see 30%.