Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

[fudgecakes99]

@fudgecakes99, well, yeah, as with all rumors.

Do the 6 cpu's even have igp's? I mean if their's going to be a new xeon and a lot of improvements are in igps for skylake. How would that transfer over to the new xeons? Theirs been a die shrink so less voltage? More cores?

 

[de5_Roy]

Intel's 'Skylake Purley' Family of Microprocessors Will Boast upto 28 Cores and 56 Threads - Next Generation Xeon Platform Landing in 2016
http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-purley-platform-upto-28-cores-56-threads/
Intel Xeon 'Greenlow', 'Broadwell-EP', 'Braodwell-EX' and Xeon Phi x200 Series Launch Schedule Detailed - v5 Series Landing Q4 2015
http://wccftech.com/intel-xeon-greenlow-broadwell-ep-ex-launch-schedule/
MSI Announces MS-9A69 Fanless IPC Based on "Broadwell" SoC
http://www.techpowerup.com/216176/msi-announces-ms-9a69-fanless-ipc-based-on-broadwell-soc.html
Intel, partners to finalize universal stylus standard in December
http://www.kitguru.net/desktop-pc/anton-shilov/intel-and-partners-plan-to-finalize-universal-stylus-standard-in-december/
Intel will retain “Broadwell-C” as the best LGA CPU with built-in GPU
http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/intel-will-retain-broadwell-c-as-the-best-socketed-cpu-with-integrated-graphics/

 

[logainofhades]

Still think it is stupid to go backwards in IGP, with a new generation chip. With all the OEM desktops, sold with only IGP, it must makes no sense to me. As enthusiasts, that build our own, it probably doesn't matter much, but we are the minority.

 

[jimmysmitty]

I am interested in this "Omnipath" that Purley will be getting. It will probably trickle down to the consumer desktop, much like QPI and DMI did.

That is where AMD needs to be focusing too, the server. Intel seems to be pushing full steam ahead in the server market. 28 core CPUs????

 

[gamerk316]

I am interested in this "Omnipath" that Purley will be getting. It will probably trickle down to the consumer desktop, much like QPI and DMI did.

That is where AMD needs to be focusing too, the server. Intel seems to be pushing full steam ahead in the server market. 28 core CPUs????

They need that many cores to compete against POWER8 and the latest SPARC chips in performance. This is also why AMDs K12 is DOA, since it simply doesn't have the performance that is needed.

 

[Cazalan]

Some more Skylake details:

Finally Intel has released the new updated version (-031) of the Optimization Manual:
http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/manuals/64-ia-32-architectures-optimization-manual.pdf

There're some new details on Skylake:

* Front end now has 5 decoders from the usual 4.
* Micro-ops cache can deliver 6 m-ops/cycle instead of 4.
* loop-buffer size is now 64 m-ops
* bigger OoO structures (but no official numbers cited, IIRC ROB size is 224 entries, RS size is 97)
* page split load penalities from 100 cycles to 5 (that's an improvement!)
* longer idle time for the PAUSE instruction
* faster L3, 2-cycles per line now

RWT - SHK

 

[Knicks2012]

Is it safe to assume that next year's kaby lake will have 6 core i7s??

 

[Supernova1138]

Is it safe to assume that next year's kaby lake will have 6 core i7s??

Highly unlikely as AMD isn't going to have Zen out until maybe roughly the same time as Kaby Lake. Right now there is no reason for Intel to up the core count on the mainstream chips unless Zen is successful in upsetting the apple cart. If you want 6 cores you'll have to pay the premium for the Enthusiast board and chipset or maybe wait for Cannonlake which might have an increased core count on its mainstream chips if Zen is really successful.

 

[Turb0Yoda]

Well Haswell-E*LGA2011-3), the i7-5820k is only 10 USD more than the i7-6700k... And the cheapest board is ~160, going to an ASrock board. They are close... I'd think those 6 cores overpower the Skylake architecture. I know I'd go for the 6 core, if only to have RAM on both sides I was up on pcparkpicker last night and my LGA2011 build is cheaper since I used 4 sticks of RAM rather than 2..

Skylake:

Spoiler

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6NvBBm
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6NvBBm/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($364.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($37.26 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VIII HERO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($228.99 @ B&H)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($309.18 @ Amazon)
Storage: OCZ ARC 100 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.43 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Directron)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB STRIX Video Card ($499.99 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT H440 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($65.30 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM (64-bit) ($139.95 @ B&H)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($32.38 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: AOC Q2778VQE 60Hz 27.0" Monitor ($299.99 @ Best Buy)
Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard ($169.99 @ B&H)
Mouse: Corsair M65 RGB Wired Laser Mouse ($56.14 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Corsair Raptor HS30 Headset ($34.98 @ B&H)
Speakers: Logitech Z323 30W 2.1ch Speakers ($49.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $2508.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-29 20:41 EDT-0400

Haswell-E

Spoiler

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JGsdhM
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JGsdhM/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($379.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($50.74 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI X99S SLI Plus ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($223.99 @ B&H)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($219.76 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: OCZ ARC 100 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.43 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.59 @ Directron)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB STRIX Video Card ($499.99 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT H440 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($60.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro OEM (64-bit) ($135.99 @ Directron)
Monitor: AOC Q2778VQE 60Hz 27.0" Monitor ($299.99 @ Best Buy)
Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard ($169.99 @ B&H)
Mouse: Corsair M65 RGB Wired Laser Mouse ($56.14 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Corsair Raptor HS30 Headset ($44.98 @ B&H)
Speakers: Logitech Z323 30W 2.1ch Speakers ($49.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $2414.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-29 20:42 EDT-0400
[/spoilers]

I tried to get them as close as possible... Ignoring the RAM...

 

[gamerk316]

Is it safe to assume that next year's kaby lake will have 6 core i7s??

There will likely be 6 core Xeons like there are now, but for the Desktop, there's pretty much no need and no market for them, so I doubt it.

That being said, I wouldn't be shocked if Intel makes them and sells them at $800, just because.

 

[Cazalan]

I doubt we'd see more than 4 cores for the mainstream from Intel for a while.
It's the GPU that they're constantly losing against AMD and even Apple.

 

[jimmysmitty]

I doubt we'd see more than 4 cores for the mainstream from Intel for a while.
It's the GPU that they're constantly losing against AMD and even Apple.

I wouldn't say constantly. Intel has been doing pretty good on the GPU front for the past few generations.

Not sure I would even consider Apple. Nothing against them, well I am no fan, but they keep trying to act like their CPU and iOS is a good replacement for entry level x86 laptops and Windows when it truly is not. I would get a Surface Pro 3 any day before getting a iPad and I am not a laptop fan, the only one I own is my wifes and I have to have one for work.

But when you have a strangle hold on the market and everyone flocks in droves to buy the smallest iteration of your product I guess you can act like your gas is magical flying fairy dust.

 

[Cazalan]

I doubt we'd see more than 4 cores for the mainstream from Intel for a while.
It's the GPU that they're constantly losing against AMD and even Apple.

I wouldn't say constantly. Intel has been doing pretty good on the GPU front for the past few generations.

Not sure I would even consider Apple. Nothing against them, well I am no fan, but they keep trying to act like their CPU and iOS is a good replacement for entry level x86 laptops and Windows when it truly is not. I would get a Surface Pro 3 any day before getting a iPad and I am not a laptop fan, the only one I own is my wifes and I have to have one for work.

But when you have a strangle hold on the market and everyone flocks in droves to buy the smallest iteration of your product I guess you can act like your gas is magical flying fairy dust.

The SKUs with the large L4 can hold their own but they are very pricey. I was considering more at comparable prices/form factors. For instance the Apple A8/A9 graphics are well ahead of the Broadwell 5Y70 at the 4.5W level. It will be interesting to see how the Skylake version 6Y75 does. They're supposed to be out right now.

Likewise if you compare the similarly priced Kaveri/Carrizo to i3 models in the $150 range.

Intel is certainly improving each generation and they'll get better as they allocate more area to the iGPU.

 

[Guest]

I heard Intel will make 7nm transistors by using InGaAs (Indium Gallium Arsenide) . Because Silicon pushes its limits at 7nm and beyond .

http://blogs.intel.com/technology/2010/11/enforcing_moores_law_through_t/

 

[jimmysmitty]

I heard Intel will make 7nm transistors by using InGaAs (Indium Gallium Arsenide) . Because Silicon pushes its limits at 7nm and beyond .

http://blogs.intel.com/technology/2010/11/enforcing_moores_law_through_t/

Intel has been working on many different ideas for chips beyond 10nm because they know that Silicon will hit its limits at 7nm and beyond. That is one idea I have heard as well.

 

[okcnaline]

... That's cool. REALLY COOL. I'm truly surprised...

 

[vampelle]

A question,
Any idea when will sky lake g4400 and i3 processor for desktop will be officially release in the market. As so far I can't find release date.
And why I see asus boRd for 6th gen with ddr3 , should t the low end mobo vibe also with ddr4

 

[gamerk316]

I heard Intel will make 7nm transistors by using InGaAs (Indium Gallium Arsenide) . Because Silicon pushes its limits at 7nm and beyond .

http://blogs.intel.com/technology/2010/11/enforcing_moores_law_through_t/

Intel has been working on many different ideas for chips beyond 10nm because they know that Silicon will hit its limits at 7nm and beyond. That is one idea I have heard as well.

Right now, Black Phosphorous is the most promising materiel, due to promising electrical and heat management properties:

http://spectrum.ieee.org/nanoclast/semiconductors/materials/black-phosphorus-adds-thermal-management-to-its-quiver

But yeah, Intel and IBM are pretty much looking at everything.

 

[Guest]

I heard Intel will make 7nm transistors by using InGaAs (Indium Gallium Arsenide) . Because Silicon pushes its limits at 7nm and beyond .

http://blogs.intel.com/technology/2010/11/enforcing_moores_law_through_t/

Intel has been working on many different ideas for chips beyond 10nm because they know that Silicon will hit its limits at 7nm and beyond. That is one idea I have heard as well.

Right now, Black Phosphorous is the most promising materiel, due to promising electrical and heat management properties:

http://spectrum.ieee.org/nanoclast/semiconductors/materials/black-phosphorus-adds-thermal-management-to-its-quiver

But yeah, Intel and IBM are pretty much looking at everything.

Graphene and Black Phosphorus are both 2-D material . 2-D materials have got good electrical properties .

 

[gamerk316]

Yes, but graphene lacks a natural bandgap, and the one that was artificially created simply wasn't good enough to do the job required. Grapehe, as a replacement for silicon, is probably a dead end as a result.

 

[Guest]

Yes, but graphene lacks a natural bandgap, and the one that was artificially created simply wasn't good enough to do the job required. Grapehe, as a replacement for silicon, is probably a dead end as a result.

Silicon is one of the common elements in earth . With nanotechnological process , it may come back .

 

[jimmysmitty]

Yes, but graphene lacks a natural bandgap, and the one that was artificially created simply wasn't good enough to do the job required. Grapehe, as a replacement for silicon, is probably a dead end as a result.

Silicon is one of the common elements in earth . With nanotechnological process , it may come back .

The problem with silicon is how small it can get before it starts to break apart. Intel has been working on ways to mitigate this for a while. First was the Hafnium used in their 45nm HiK/Mg process that increased efficiency quite a bit. In fact it was a drastic jump. 65nm C2Qs could normally easily do 3.5GHz, 3.8-4GHz was harder. The QX9650 hit 4GHz easily and was able to move beyond that.

I can't find the article but I remember reading one where Intel was planning on developing CPUs at 7nm on Silicon but would have reserve cores that would not be active unless a core failed as they were expecting the electron leakage at 7nm silicon to be that bad.

There are other materials that are able to get much smaller before the electron leakage starts to damage the core itself.

 

[gamerk316]

Yeah, the root problem is we really can't shrink Silicon based chips anymore. Intel thinks they can do 7nm, if they build in redundancy (which means the chips will be VERY space ineffective, expensive to produce, and not very profitable). Point is, unless a replacement is found within the next few years, we're two die shrinks (about 5-6 years) from hitting a brick wall, and we go from 10% yearly CPU performance improvements, to 0% yearly CPU performance improvements.

 

[logainofhades]

Yea, my max clock, on 65nm I think was around 3.6ghz. I might have managed 3.8ghz on my X3230.

 

[Cazalan]

Yeah, the root problem is we really can't shrink Silicon based chips anymore. Intel thinks they can do 7nm, if they build in redundancy (which means the chips will be VERY space ineffective, expensive to produce, and not very profitable). Point is, unless a replacement is found within the next few years, we're two die shrinks (about 5-6 years) from hitting a brick wall, and we go from 10% yearly CPU performance improvements, to 0% yearly CPU performance improvements.

Its those brick walls that force innovation. I don't recall that many issues at 7nm. IBM was saying the real hurdles will arrive below the 5nm level.

Anyway the 3D packaging and 450mm wafers will add significantly to the improvements. The surface has only been scratched there. Hardware is known to fail for some time. Higher end systems have repair capabilities in place already for RAM, drive, and CPU cores. Economies of scale will drive those features into everyday consumer products.

The tools are constantly improving to better plan for those failures as well.

https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/5085-finfet-reliability-analysis-device-self-heating.html