Microsoft: You Are the Reason Why We Killed the Start Menu

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Hold on, so, following this same philosophy and based on MS facts that Windows 7 is their most pirated OS launched, that means that people don't want to pay for Win7, right? So, when will MS remove the price from Win7 and start to give it away for free? after all, we refuse to pay for their OS thus they should act accordingly....!!! HA !
 
So MS is now telling it's customers what they want. You better stop doing that or Apple will sue you for copying their business model.
 
[citation][nom]njt[/nom]microsoft has long quoted user studies and user preferences in order to justify questionable features, which more often then not, are then abandoned for the next big thing(tm) in defiance of such claimed studies/preferences. remember that they fail as often as they succeed.so don't worry about it so much. they're doing this due to the incredible success that apple has had with the ipad and iphone, and the amazon kindle, of course. the lesson that such sales volume cannot be replicated by anyone other than apple and amazon themselves has been received by some of the smarter players who have discontinued their tablet products, but microsoft is a lumbering monster that does not shift directions quickly. it's taken them so long to come up with a (poor and ugly) solution to a product category for which there is very little market, and in the process they have - wrongly - decided that instead of metro and the classic desktop being equal class citizens you can switch from freely, they're betting the big money is in touch computing. yes, that may be true, but not for the likes of intel and microsoft. that boat has sailed. wait for windows 9 to see metro having the same relevance that vista widgets now enjoy in w7 - legacy status.so why are you worried? simply skip windows 8 on the desktop, not only it would not help you at all on a pc, it actually hinders traditional usage and reduces the usefulness and investment in multicore/multiprocessor systems by forcing the user to single/serial tasking like they would on a tablet. besides, there's absolutely nothing that the next generation of windows brings to the party that is worth the upgrade aside from the new filesystem, which, ridiculously, is not going to ship in the box anyway, and which will eventually trickle down to w7 in any case, it has to.seriously, aside from refs what would you get w8 for? the updated task manager? the copy/move dialog? the ribbon on explorer? let's be serious here. go get a free replacement for those components that will offer you similar or greater functionality.[/citation]

And then people dissed me on the news here about the Surface launch, when I got 20 thumbs down for saying thanks but no thanks to another iCopy tablet crap... Screw Surface and screw the God damn Metro GUI...
 
Microsoft is *STUPID*... do they even use their own products??!!

besides, they DID NOT remove their start button. THEY HID IT, made it tiny and it goes to the Start Screen... or to the last thing you are doing in Metro... so half the time you are not sure WHERE you will end up.

Start button is there, just changed and hidden because of IDIOTS.
 
Ok Chaitanya Sareen, lets say you´re right 100%, explain this (amonge others):

- If people don´t want start button, than why did people installed 3rd party software to have a start button again?

- And if your right and people don´t want the start button than WHY did MS "remove code from the OS that would have enabled a third-party Start button"

- Also do you think the way to close apps is acceptable? Personnaly I find it ridiculous.

- How is hidding "stuff" user friendly? "Less is more" is a stupid moto in my book (at least that I can remember)

- Do you consider the interface intuitive? If you do, than how do you compare the "intuitive" level of W8 with XP or W7?

PS.: Fix the interface and you have, probably, a hell of a product.
 
I hate the `pin to start up menu`, I just modified windows xp then windows 7 when I got it to look like windows 95 style menu and taskbar
 
[citation][nom]Siddeous[/nom]I'll be sticking with Windows 7 and I'm willing to bet OEMs are going to be offering downgrades to 7 like they did when Vista launched. With Microsoft pushing Metro it makes me wonder this, what's in the water over in Redmond?[/citation]

The water is going to run red in Redmond. They may have to break open Bill Gates 2.0 robot to take over the company! :)

Please refer to Windows7 as an upgrade from Win8/metro.

What *MAY* happen, is that MS quickly replaces the Startmenu before launch... or within months after release, with all the desktop/notebook returns - they release a patch file to bring back the Win7 type Startmenu.

If they wait until SP1 to do this... they and the PC industry will be in a bloodbath... and deserve it.

PS: Vista *DID* not get this sort of flack before its release. Windows8 will be worse than vista.
 
Windows8 = computer User Rape.

PC sales will stagnate. Their tablet sales will FLY as good as their cellphone sales... not at all.

This is a complete clusterfu~~... and I must admit, it will be a glorious one at that.
 
can't help but laugh at the comments you think some of these folks have only been following the tech industry in the last 5 years or so, we are talking about Ms, the same Ms who shove IE down our throat by tying directly it into the os Kernel, who shove UAC down our throat with vista, who forced the Ribbion inteface onto us

all of which was decried, all of which was preceded with a flood of how this is going be the downfall of ms, yet ms is still here along with all of those abominations

hate Metro if you must but don't kid yourself Ms isn't going anywhere fast and sooner or later your going be using Metro or some distant version of it (even the most ardent XP users converted to 7)
 
That is about the most faulty logic I have seen (outside of my work in the gov't). Seriously, if you look at the habits of most computer users you see a desktop full of folders and files (most of which aren't used). Why not just make it so the desktop can be more cluttered, since that seems to be the true "trend" of most users.
Oh, wait, that is what they did, sorta.
 
Why they blame us? They interpret the data wrong, and blame us for the error. We do install less frequent software and it comes down to digging Start menu or digging even messier Metro links.
 
Most users?
Most user's are dumb shit's who don't know how to work a computer.
Only reason why they paste thing's every where is cause they can't figure out how to use a start menu.

There is 2 techs out of a group of 20 people going why, why are you listening to the idiots, why!
Your making our life harder for your convince no wonder why there is a lack of calling / professionalism in the IT Industry its cause every few years you managed to screw something up that makes IT great that's why most people are going towards Apple and Linux based OS's now because you keep doing things that suck.

Windows 8 is the new Vista, It's just that bad No Start Menu, No Aero, nothing amazing stands out about it Do what Apple did, you got something Good LEAVE IT!

DON'T Fix what doesn't need fixing!
 
Oh, really? Tell me about how I can pin every single application I might use on the taskbar. Even with the biggest monitor and an according resolution you can pin like, 20-30 icons tops. I have more games than that, let alone all the programs that I use. Even if you can make it take more icons did you consider the memory this would need, much like the desktop does? Plus you can't search it like start menu.

I really hope this Windows 8 thing turns out a real flop like Vista so that something better can come out of it. Microsoft really knows how to pull such things off.
 
Dear MS,

Let me sum it up real quick:
- I work in IT (A+, MCSE)
- My wife = 99% computer illiterate (only uses it for web, movie online & email)
- I installed Win8CP 2 weeks ago on her Sony laptop to try out
- NOW she wants $2k for a MacBook (I know nothing about OSX) and then I get a blame from you

I want to cry.
 
I have looked at it and found it silly, not the kind of thing you want on something you actually use.
Metro is a phone based interface, not intended for desktops.
If you use three or four programs, it might work, not for me but for a small segment.
I still use XP for the simple reason that pinning doesn't work for me.
I personally hate, despise and lots of other strong words the whole idea of pinning, but if it works foryo u, please feel free to use and enjoy it.
I like the start menu, I use XP with ALL the guilding turned off.
Windows classic all the way, they got the menus right in ME, and the options for them right in XP.

The only reason I can see to foist this drivel on the users is to force a constant upgrade cycle.
Almost everyone I know uses XP with all the bells and whistles turned off.
Null theme with the simplest menus possible, no sorting of task windows, or grouping of anything.

I am simply waiting until ReactOs is ready, then dropping MS the rest of the way.
http://www.reactos.org
give it a look, I think you might like it.

 
This is downright stupid. I use the task bar a lot, but I also use the start menu sometimes. (though I can see metro working decently well as a replacement) How do you expect most users, many of which don't know how to pin things to the taskbar, to deal with this? Or the hidden shut down button? This is the lamest thing (aside from SOPA, PIPA, and DRM) I've heard of in a while. Instead, why not make metro optional? Is it that damn difficult? And also, maybe put the shutdown button directly on the metro screen where people can actually find it?
 
[citation][nom]mousseng[/nom]Didn't bother to read the thread, just commenting on the article: the reason my Start Menu usage dropped, Microsoft, is that it doesn't take more than 2 seconds for me to find what I want in the Start Menu. Windows key, type three letters, Enter before it even loads, bam.If I can't do that in Windows 8, I'll stick with 7 then. I'm content with how fast W7 is, how compatible, and how easy to use it is.[/citation]
It's not at all obvious, but you can do that in Windows 8. Go to the start screen (perhaps by pushing the Windows key), and start typing. (I still don't get why they separate programs/files/settings there though... wtf?)
 
I get how this may have made "scene"
However it really doesn't seem necessary to remove it completely. It should be there for a smooth transition. It's gonna suck to be forced to fumble through the start screen on a desktop with a mouse or laptop.

They better improve touch-pad gestures so you can swipe though on a laptop.
 
Yes, we used it LESS OFTEN when you improved the taskbar. But we STILL USE IT. IT's STILL IMPORTANT.

F YOU, Microsoft. Will continue to use Windows 7 until they get their act together.
 
[citation][nom]Dolph123[/nom]If it ain't broke, don't fix it[/citation]
Or rather, if it isn't broken, you have to break it as much as you can. Just because.
 
i don't use start button in win 7 because it's suck, i create my own link on taskbar to replace it, btw i don't like pinning app to the task bar either, taskbar gets crowded if i pin apps.

i think microsoft just making excuses for their stupid decision :|
 
Oh, I get it. The pin feature totally makes it impossible to have a start menu. There is absolutely no way that these two features could be available simultaneously and complement each other. Wait...I'm pretty sure they could actually co-exist.

Microsoft, if you are going to say moronic sh*t just don't say anything at all.
 
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