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That was the most embarrassing spoon feed of all. 🙄
(again, weird Amazon didn't list it.)

That should do it. I'll be checking back on this thread and I'll let you know when it's all together.

Thanks to Why_me, Lucky_SLS, and helper800! You guys were great putting up with my indecisiveness and tech ignorance!

PS: When's Lucky gonna tell us about his new build or at least tell us what he did with that 4070 ti Super?

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Okay, here's the final build for those who may be foolish enough to try to follow this meandering thread:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2kzfRK

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($389.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($35.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX ATX AM5 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($139.75 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card ($849.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case ($96.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX-850 ATX 3.0 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($179.00 @ B&H)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Home Retail - Download 64-bit ($123.94 @ NewEgg)

Total: $2119.55
 
Hey, did my Mobo just drop $80 in price?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WB...te-ax-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-aorus-elite-ax


(was, and I PAID = $199)

$120
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BH7GTY9C?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

It's the same one, right? No bad revision number or something fishy?

Would it be crazy if I just bought it again from Amazon, then returned the one they already sent me? Even a 10% return fee is well absorbed by that $80.
It seems a little sketchy to me. The seller is out of China, which is fine, but the seller has no ratings and is new. Seems sketchy to me. It is sold by and shipped by, and I am not kidding, "Tick the gift wrap option to prevent bump damage.." That is the name of the "seller," and "shipper."
 
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It seems a little sketchy to me. The seller is out of China, which is fine, but the seller has no ratings and is new. Seems sketchy to me. It is sold by and shipped by, and I am not kidding, "Tick the gift wrap option to prevent bump damage.." That is the name of the "seller," and "shipper."
Good catch. I'll let it go. Thanks again, Helper.
 
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Just reading up and prepping for when my parts come in...

For the Crucial T500 2TB Gen4 NVMe M.2, the mobo gives me three options to connect to, M2A_CPU, M2B_CPU, and M2C_SB. From what I can tell from the Mobo manual, it doesn't matter which connector I use. It's the only M.2 I'm installing and there's only a very small chance I'll add a second one. Is there any sort of boot order I need to worry about or just put it in any slot? How about the middle one, M2B_CPU?

Also, it doesn't look like the M.2 comes with it's own heatsink, but even if it did am I better off just using the Mobo heatsink?
 
Just reading up and prepping for when my parts come in...

For the Crucial T500 2TB Gen4 NVMe M.2, the mobo gives me three options to connect to, M2A_CPU, M2B_CPU, and M2C_SB. From what I can tell from the Mobo manual, it doesn't matter which connector I use. It's the only M.2 I'm installing and there's only a very small chance I'll add a second one. Is there any sort of boot order I need to worry about or just put it in any slot? How about the middle one, M2B_CPU?

Also, it doesn't look like the M.2 comes with it's own heatsink, but even if it did am I better off just using the Mobo heatsink?
Use the motherboard heat sink if it does not come with its own. I would slot it into whichever m.2 slot is closest to the CPU socket. The slot closest to the CPU socket will have the lowest latency and therefore be theoretically faster. I suggest putting your OS on the drive closest to the socket.
 
You should be fine using the T500 with the mobo heatsink. Just remember to remove the plastic cover from the inside of the mobo heatsink after installing the ssd.

The uppermost M.2 slot directly feeds to the CPU. the second slot is going through the mobo chipset and the third M.2 slot in most B650 mobo shares the pcie lanes with the bottom pcie X8 slot iirc.

You should be fine installing the T500 in the first M.2 slot near the CPU.
 
You should be fine using the T500 with the mobo heatsink. Just remember to remove the plastic cover from the inside of the mobo heatsink after installing the ssd.

The uppermost M.2 slot directly feeds to the CPU. the second slot is going through the mobo chipset and the third M.2 slot in most B650 mobo shares the pcie lanes with the bottom pcie X8 slot iirc.

You should be fine installing the T500 in the first M.2 slot near the CPU.
For his motherboard the first two m.2 slots are wired in directly to the CPU and the third is wired into the chipset.
 
Back again...

I believe the mobo has 3 system fan connectors so that's enough for the 2 front fans and rear fan of the Lian 216 case. I read a Lian 216 case review that suggests the front fans are loud running full speed (1600rpms), but that if they are turned down to 850 they are much quieter without too much damage to the cooling. At load and 850 rpms, the GPU hits 56 degrees and the CPU 43 degrees. (Running load at 1600 rpms the GPU is 53 degrees and the CPU is 42 degrees). Anyway, point is, I may want to adjust fan speed. I assume all the mobo fan connectors will allow for speed adjustment in the CMOS.

However, the Lian 216 case has it's own fan hub. Is there any advantage to using Lian 216's fan hub? The cable from the fan hub wants to plug into a 5v 3-pin header on the Mobo, but I'm not sure if the mobo has this header or at least I can't find it. The mobo manual says all fan connections are four pins, but this is more of a power connector, right? Here's a very short video (qued to the right time) showing where the the cable is supposed to go into the 5v 3-pin header. Power is SATA cable, I understand that. And then there's a single fan plug in. I guess I should use system fan #1 on the mobo for the last hub connection? Or "pump fan"? If I use the hub will I still have the ability to regulate fan speed?

Lian 216 case hub cable -to- 5v 3-pin header
View: https://youtu.be/be5iBCv6Q8k?t=9


(for those interested)
Video review of Lian 216. It's where I got the temp data and suggestion to lower to 850rpms.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_w0NbB84P0
 
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I could probably figure this out on my own, but gonna run it by you in case I catch you before you go to bed or I do. (I know we're in different time zones.)

For PSU Power connectors to mobo, I know I use the 24-pin ATX. In additon, the "EPS" Cable is 8-pin and goes to the CPU socket labeled "ATX_12v" on the mobo.

There's an additional 4 pin connector next to this connector on the mobo labeled "ATX_12v1". It's my understanding that that connector isn't needed, but some use it anyway perhaps to provide more power for overclocking, which I'm not doing or planning to do in the future. Even if I wanted to use it, it doesn't look like Seasonic provided a cable with a 4 pin end for the mobo. Or do I just have it all wrong?

As for the PSU, there's a "12VHPWR" connector. I assume I don't use that. Some kind of low voltage or lesser power hookup?

Vid card is only 6 pin using the PCIe cables (3+3). I think I understand that one.

My mobo is rev 1.2, for the record.

B650 AORUS ELITE AX
Top Left... 8x4, with 4 being the "ATX 12v1" although I doubt I needed to explain this to either of you two.
https://tech4gamers.com/wp-content/...AORUS-ELITE-AX-Features-Overview-1920x986.jpg
 
I could probably figure this out on my own, but gonna run it by you in case I catch you before you go to bed or I do. (I know we're in different time zones.)

For PSU Power connectors to mobo, I know I use the 24-pin ATX. In additon, the "EPS" Cable is 8-pin and goes to the CPU socket labeled "ATX_12v" on the mobo.

There's an additional 4 pin connector next to this connector on the mobo labeled "ATX_12v1". It's my understanding that that connector isn't needed, but some use it anyway perhaps to provide more power for overclocking, which I'm not doing or planning to do in the future. Even if I wanted to use it, it doesn't look like Seasonic provided a cable with a 4 pin end for the mobo. Or do I just have it all wrong?

As for the PSU, there's a "12VHPWR" connector. I assume I don't use that. Some kind of low voltage or lesser power hookup?

Vid card is only 6 pin using the PCIe cables (3+3). I think I understand that one.

My mobo is rev 1.2, for the record.

B650 AORUS ELITE AX
Top Left... 8x4, with 4 being the "ATX 12v1" although I doubt I needed to explain this to either of you two.
https://tech4gamers.com/wp-content/...AORUS-ELITE-AX-Features-Overview-1920x986.jpg
The PSU has two 8 pins EPS cables that can be separated into two 4+4 pins. Your graphics card uses one 12+4 power cable and that one is also known as the 12VHPWR. HPWR stands for high power.
 
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I believe the mobo has 3 system fan connectors so that's enough for the 2 front fans and rear fan of the Lian 216 case. I read a Lian 216 case review that suggests the front fans are loud running full speed (1600rpms), but that if they are turned down to 850 they are much quieter without too much damage to the cooling. At load and 850 rpms, the GPU hits 56 degrees and the CPU 43 degrees. (Running load at 1600 rpms the GPU is 53 degrees and the CPU is 42 degrees). Anyway, point is, I may want to adjust fan speed. I assume all the mobo fan connectors will allow for speed adjustment in the CMOS.

However, the Lian 216 case has it's own fan hub. Is there any advantage to using Lian 216's fan hub? The cable from the fan hub wants to plug into a 5v 3-pin header on the Mobo, but I'm not sure if the mobo has this header or at least I can't find it. The mobo manual says all fan connections are four pins, but this is more of a power connector, right? Here's a very short video (qued to the right time) showing where the the cable is supposed to go into the 5v 3-pin header. Power is SATA cable, I understand that. And then there's a single fan plug in. I guess I should use system fan #1 on the mobo for the last hub connection? Or "pump fan"? If I use the hub will I still have the ability to regulate fan speed?

Lian 216 case hub cable -to- 5v 3-pin header
View: https://youtu.be/be5iBCv6Q8k?t=9


(for those interested)
Video review of Lian 216. It's where I got the temp data and suggestion to lower to 850rpms.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_w0NbB84P0


High end controllers just have SATA from PSU for power and USB header to mobo for fan control. But the Li lian li is simple in the sense that i think it acts as a spliter and a power hub. you plug in the fan header to a sys fan port and both the front fans run at the same speed.

High end units like corsair commander pro can control each fan invidually with USB and software, Lian li is just controlled by mobo bios, not by a software in windows.
 
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The PSU has two 8 pins EPS cables that can be separated into two 4+4 pins. Your graphics card uses one 12+4 power cable and that one is also known as the 12VHPWR. HPWR stands for high power.
Okay, now that I've got my hands on the actual cables, this makes more sense. It was a lot easier to mess this up in the old days. So for the EPS, I just use one 8pin cable, but there's still that 4 pin connector on the mobo. I don't need it and there doesn't appear to be a PSU cable for it, but I'm curious. Is that the extra input that people use for more power when overclocking? (upper left most corner of mobo).
https://tech4gamers.com/wp-content/...AORUS-ELITE-AX-Features-Overview-1920x986.jpg
 
High end controllers just have SATA from PSU for power and USB header to mobo for fan control. But the Li lian li is simple in the sense that i think it acts as a spliter and a power hub. you plug in the fan header to a sys fan port and both the front fans run at the same speed.

High end units like corsair commander pro can control each fan invidually with USB and software, Lian li is just controlled by mobo bios, not by a software in windows.
lol. Again, should have put my hands on it. There is no fan hub on my version of the Lian 216. I shouldn't need it anyway. I have 3 fans and 3 mobo fan connectors. The other change I noticed from the review video I linked is that the frame making up the top of the case is now removable for easier access, or rather, you can remove about three quarters of if.
 
For the mob, lots of drivers to install and this always gives me pause when I do a build. Again, I'm revision 1.2.

Audio:

Realtek HD Audio Driver for DCH
Realtek HD Audio Driver

DCH seems to be a new standard from Windows. Go with that? Do both?

Chipset:

AMD APU Driver
AMD Chipset Driver

Need both? Or should I use AMD's autodetect software, although I don't know if it supports Windows 11.

LAN:
Realtek LAN Driver
Realtek LAN Preinstall driver

? I guess I do the preinstall first, then the non-preinstall.

SATA RAID:
Don't use Raid. Never will. I'll skip this.

WLAN+BT

Realtek 8852 Bluetooth driver
Realtek 8852 WIFI Driver

I will cable connect this new PC direct to the router so I don't need the wifi, but is there any harm in installing the driver (and antenna) should I see a need for it in the future?

Also, I assume the motherboard doesn't have any onboard bluetooth and I didn't see any plugins from the case that support it, so the only way I get bluetooth (other than buying a slot card) would be a USB dongle, right? That said, no harm in installing the driver for possible future use, right? Not sure the meaning of "AMD AGESA" in the description.

Bios:

Version updates start in March of '23 and go through the 25th of Jan '25th. I haven't built or booted yet so I don't know the current version. Is it still worth following the old adage, "if it ain't broke don't fix it" or should I just flash the latest?

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650-AORUS-ELITE-AX-rev-12/support#support-dl-bios

Utility:

I try not to install software I don't need, but I'll install if you recommend. I generally try to avoid bloat and resource eaters. If you think it's silly to worry about "bloat" in this circumstance, please elaborate a bit. There seem to be two verions of the "Control Center Full Installation Package" so I assume I'd just do the newest.

Below that is the "Realtek Gaming LAN bandwidth Control Utility". I do LAN game sometimes so that's important to me, but I can usually set it up through the game software's GUI or console commands. I'm not really sure what this software is for given I've already downloaded the LAN drivers (see above). I know it's LAN, but anything here that's gonna open my router ports without my knowledge? If this requires more research just say so and I'll do it, but if you can take a look and give a quick answer, I'll shamlessly accept the spoon feed.
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650-AORUS-ELITE-AX-rev-12/support#support-dl-utility


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As for the GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER GAMING OC 16G driver, going to the website, I see the driver stand-alone, and then, under utility, the latest version (24.01.02.01) of the "GIGABYTE Control Center Full Installation Package". This is the same as listed under the mobo utilities and mentioned just above in this post. Just install the "GIGABYTE Control Center Full Installation Package" and let it detect and download the driver or avoid the bloat and just install the driver?

https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Graphics-Card/GV-N407TSGAMING-OC-16GD/support#support-dl-utility
 
Okay, now that I've got my hands on the actual cables, this makes more sense. It was a lot easier to mess this up in the old days. So for the EPS, I just use one 8pin cable, but there's still that 4 pin connector on the mobo. I don't need it and there doesn't appear to be a PSU cable for it, but I'm curious. Is that the extra input that people use for more power when overclocking? (upper left most corner of mobo).
https://tech4gamers.com/wp-content/...AORUS-ELITE-AX-Features-Overview-1920x986.jpg
Yes, there are typically more connectors than the motherboard needs for CPU power. Just to be clear, again, the PSU does have the required cable for the additional 4-pin connector next to the 8-pin connector. The 8-pin EPS PSU cable can split in half to be two 4-pin cables. Personally I would make sure that extra cable is connected to make sure that any turbo boosting that is done by the CPU is not power limited. As far as I know, plugging in all of the EPS cables also distributes the power load between more cables which is better for the cables as they will build up the same heat over much more surface area.
 
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For the mob, lots of drivers to install and this always gives me pause when I do a build. Again, I'm revision 1.2.

Audio:

Realtek HD Audio Driver for DCH
Realtek HD Audio Driver

DCH seems to be a new standard from Windows. Go with that? Do both?

Chipset:

AMD APU Driver
AMD Chipset Driver

Need both? Or should I use AMD's autodetect software, although I don't know if it supports Windows 11.

LAN:
Realtek LAN Driver
Realtek LAN Preinstall driver

? I guess I do the preinstall first, then the non-preinstall.

SATA RAID:
Don't use Raid. Never will. I'll skip this.

WLAN+BT

Realtek 8852 Bluetooth driver
Realtek 8852 WIFI Driver

I will cable connect this new PC direct to the router so I don't need the wifi, but is there any harm in installing the driver (and antenna) should I see a need for it in the future?

Also, I assume the motherboard doesn't have any onboard bluetooth and I didn't see any plugins from the case that support it, so the only way I get bluetooth (other than buying a slot card) would be a USB dongle, right? That said, no harm in installing the driver for possible future use, right? Not sure the meaning of "AMD AGESA" in the description.

Bios:

Version updates start in March of '23 and go through the 25th of Jan '25th. I haven't built or booted yet so I don't know the current version. Is it still worth following the old adage, "if it ain't broke don't fix it" or should I just flash the latest?

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650-AORUS-ELITE-AX-rev-12/support#support-dl-bios

Utility:

I try not to install software I don't need, but I'll install if you recommend. I generally try to avoid bloat and resource eaters. If you think it's silly to worry about "bloat" in this circumstance, please elaborate a bit. There seem to be two verions of the "Control Center Full Installation Package" so I assume I'd just do the newest.

Below that is the "Realtek Gaming LAN bandwidth Control Utility". I do LAN game sometimes so that's important to me, but I can usually set it up through the game software's GUI or console commands. I'm not really sure what this software is for given I've already downloaded the LAN drivers (see above). I know it's LAN, but anything here that's gonna open my router ports without my knowledge? If this requires more research just say so and I'll do it, but if you can take a look and give a quick answer, I'll shamlessly accept the spoon feed.
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650-AORUS-ELITE-AX-rev-12/support#support-dl-utility


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As for the GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER GAMING OC 16G driver, going to the website, I see the driver stand-alone, and then, under utility, the latest version (24.01.02.01) of the "GIGABYTE Control Center Full Installation Package". This is the same as listed under the mobo utilities and mentioned just above in this post. Just install the "GIGABYTE Control Center Full Installation Package" and let it detect and download the driver or avoid the bloat and just install the driver?

https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Graphics-Card/GV-N407TSGAMING-OC-16GD/support#support-dl-utility
I would install all of the drivers except the RAID driver and maybe the motherboard control software but none of the other "utilities." Your motherboard did come with bluetooth. The bluetooth is included on the same module as the wifi module. Make sure you install the antenna so that the bluetooth works. Also, having wifi as a backup is also very convenient in the time of mobile hotspots on phones. You do not need the AMD APU driver, but if you wanted to use the onboard iGPU from the CPU, you will need it so that it works at full efficiency. The audio drivers are both the same, DCH is just a packaging method unique to win10/11. As far as the LAN driver goes, I would do the preinstall first, and then the normal driver. I am not exactly sure why there would need to be a pre-install, but that would seem to be the order of things. BIOS is something that I would say needs to be updated to the latest non-beta BIOS possible because BIOS can fix major bugs, improve performance, and improve compatibility. If you have never updated BIOS before let me know.
 
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Graphics Card
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As for the GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER GAMING OC 16G driver, going to the website, I see the driver stand-alone, and then, under utility, the latest version (24.01.02.01) of the "GIGABYTE Control Center Full Installation Package". This is the same as listed under the mobo utilities and mentioned just above in this post. Just install the "GIGABYTE Control Center Full Installation Package" and let it detect and download the driver or avoid the bloat and just install the driver?

https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Graphics-Card/GV-N407TSGAMING-OC-16GD/support#support-dl-utility
Download the standalone Nvidia driver for the graphics card directly from Nvidia. You do not need the Gigabyte control center utility, but it may enable some control that could be useful, your call.
 
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Yes, there are typically more connectors than the motherboard needs for CPU power. Just to be clear, again, the PSU does have the required cable for the additional 4-pin connector next to the 8-pin connector. The 8-pin EPS PSU cable can split in half to be two 4-pin cables. Personally I would make sure that extra cable is connected to make sure that any turbo boosting that is done by the CPU is not power limited. As far as I know, plugging in all of the EPS cables also distributes the power load between more cables which is better for the cables as they will build up the same heat over much more surface area.
lol. If you only knew how much time I spent on this before, for like the 3rd time, taking a closer look and seeing how they snapped apart.

You guys have a lot of paitence.
 
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I would install all of the drivers except the RAID driver and maybe the motherboard control software but none of the other "utilities."

Okay, but to be clear the "motherboard control software" you refer to is the newest version of the "GIGABYTE Control Center Full Installation Package", shown here at the top of the mobo driver page.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650-AORUS-ELITE-AX-rev-12/support#support-dl-utility

Which, unless I'm mistaken (AGAIN), is the same thing as the "GIGABYTE Control Center Full Installation Package" listed on the Vid Card driver Page:

https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Graphics-Card/GV-N407TSGAMING-OC-16GD/support#support-dl-utility

What will this software do for me that installing the drivers won't? Also, being it's the same software as the vid car, will this cause problems or conflict with the stand alone driver you recommneded? If it's what I think it is, I've used this kind of software for Vid Cards before but I never mess with the tweaking of settings and such.

Is the mobo software important to components functioning, or is it more just for monitoring, stuff I could do in the CMOS anyway...

BTW, what's the thinking behind installing the driver direct from Nvidia rather than through Gigabyte who's repackaged and OCed the card? I know this is common practice and I've done it myself, but I've forgotten or never understood the reasoning.

Also, the direct link you posted states, "This download includes the NVIDIA graphics driver and an option to additionally install the GeForce Experience application." Do or don't install the Geforce Experience application" along with the driver?

Your motherboard did come with bluetooth. The bluetooth is included on the same module as the wifi module. Make sure you install the antenna so that the bluetooth works.

Ah, good to know. I'll install the driver, but I think I'll pass on the antenna and maybe just disable the bluetooth thorugh the CMOS. Keeps the literal desktop cleaner and I have a bluetooth dongle I can use in the rare case I use bluetooth.

Also, having wifi as a backup is also very convenient in the time of mobile hotspots on phones. You do not need the AMD APU driver, but if you wanted to use the onboard iGPU from the CPU, you will need it so that it works at full efficiency.
Okay, so... that's for the integrated graphics onboard the CPU which I don't need because all such functions will be directed to the GPU such that the integrated graphics part of the CPU isn't just unneeded, but is sort of turned off by default? That about right? Still, installing the driver won't do any harm.

The audio drivers are both the same, DCH is just a packaging method unique to win10/11.

Strange they are such different sizes. The DCH is only 19 MB, while the non-DCH is 38 MB.

But if it doesn't matter I guess I'll go with DCH, the newer Windows standard.

As far as the LAN driver goes, I would do the preinstall first, and then the normal driver. I am not exactly sure why there would need to be a pre-install, but that would seem to be the order of things.
Ok.

BIOS is something that I would say needs to be updated to the latest non-beta BIOS possible because BIOS can fix major bugs, improve performance, and improve compatibility. If you have never updated BIOS before let me know.
Okay, I'll flash the latest version. I've flashed many BIOS in the past, but not in the last 5 years. I'll check tutorials for modern day flashing in case something's changed. Is it best practice to flash the bios after all drivers are installed or should I just do it first thing before installing any drivers?

It's hard to believe given my many questions but since the 90s I've built... 7 PCS. Granted the last four relied heavy from help from forums like this. The tech changes so fast. The hobby truly has become much more catering the to builder with so many choices and customizations and well, just clarity of procedures that amatures are more able to follow, and of course all the resources for help here and elsewhere online.
 
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