[SOLVED] System upgrade under $1100? Details in the description below.

[Arbaaz360]

So I have been using my Intel i3 6100 for over 4 years now. I think it's time for me to upgrade. To be honest I did not realize that I need an upgrade until I bought a GoPro Hero 10 camera that is capable of shooting in 5.3k 60fps. To my surprise even my 2 year old mid range Onplus 7t phone could play 5.3k videos without any trouble but my PC just won't play it. So I started shooting in 4k which I can play without problems. But even basic editing in Adobe Premiere Pro is just not practical.


I am going to be using the system for occasional video editing and productivity in general. I am not big on gaming but every once in a while I might want to play games that my outdated Raedon RX 570 would allow me.

Since I am not big on gaming I am not willing to invest in a new GPU.


Other Details of my current system:

RAM : 24GB 1066Mhz (will probably have to upgrade :/ )
HDD: 1TB SSD + 3TB HDD
GPU: Raedon RX 570
Monitor Resolution: 2k
CPU: i3 6100
Peripherals: Already have them, so no need to buy new ones.
Cooler: Intel i3 Integrated Cooler
Case : Might have to buy a new one since there isn't much space for a cooler
PSU: Corsair 650w

$1100 is kind of a stretch for me. I could get a cheaper CPU but since I am not planning on upgrading for the next 4 years, I don't want to cut corners here.

What are you recommendations?

 

[logainofhades]

Your RX 5700 is not outdated. It is still a very good GPU. Which Corsair 650w do you have? An i7 12700k would work, but you might want to wait for the non k variants to be available, with less expensive B660/H670 boards. I wouldn't go with less than 32gb ram, and even 64gb might not be a terrible idea, given the video you are shooting.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor ($399.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z690-P D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($219.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($224.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1029.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-01-10 10:48 EST-0500

 

[Arbaaz360]

Your RX 5700 is not outdated. It is still a very good GPU. Which Corsair 650w do you have? An i7 12700k would work, but you might want to wait for the non k variants to be available, with less expensive B660/H670 boards. I wouldn't go with less than 32gb ram, and even 64gb might not be a terrible idea, given the video you are shooting.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor ($399.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z690-P D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($219.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($224.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1029.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-01-10 10:48 EST-0500

First of all, apologies. I added an extra 0 to the RX 570
I don't have RX 5700 I have RX 570.

I am torn between AMD 5900X and Intel i7 12700K.

It does seem that i7 12700K is better performing CPU but I have been told that the motherboard is going to be more expensive than the one for 5900X therefore making the overall cost high.

 

[Vic 40]

Even the 12600K is already an impressive cpu just like the 5600X, keep that in mind.

 

[Karadjgne]

The 12700/k would be better. It's considerably faster at stuff like POV-Ray, and ties the 5900x in Blender, the single threaded performance is something amd can't match, yet, vs 12th gen Intels. Since there's no necessity for OC, a Z690 isn't needed, a decent B660 DDR4 with 32Gb 3600/16 ram will be more than enough.

The biggest difference is in cooling. Under heavy cpu loads, the 12700/k will have higher wattage outputs, and that doesn't sit well in small cases with limited cooling capacity. And the 5900x can be easily undervolted for even lower outputs, as well as ram timings adjustments that increase its ability and something reviews do not show.

So there are tradeoffs, depending on more than the budget, but case design, cooler types, how much you feel like tinkering etc.

Either would be a massive upgrade from that i3, which while a great budget cpu in its day, simply isn't upto snuff when it comes to today's requirements.

 

[Arbaaz360]

The 12700/k would be better. It's considerably faster at stuff like POV-Ray, and ties the 5900x in Blender, the single threaded performance is something amd can't match, yet, vs 12th gen Intels. Since there's no necessity for OC, a Z690 isn't needed, a decent B660 DDR4 with 32Gb 3600/16 ram will be more than enough.

The biggest difference is in cooling. Under heavy cpu loads, the 12700/k will have higher wattage outputs, and that doesn't sit well in small cases with limited cooling capacity. And the 5900x can be easily undervolted for even lower outputs, as well as ram timings adjustments that increase its ability and something reviews do not show.

So there are tradeoffs, depending on more than the budget, but case design, cooler types, how much you feel like tinkering etc.

Either would be a massive upgrade from that i3, which while a great budget cpu in its day, simply isn't upto snuff when it comes to today's requirements.

Would ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler with Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case be enough to keep things cool?

 

[logainofhades]

First of all, apologies. I added an extra 0 to the RX 570
I don't have RX 5700 I have RX 570.

I am torn between AMD 5900X and Intel i7 12700K.

It does seem that i7 12700K is better performing CPU but I have been told that the motherboard is going to be more expensive than the one for 5900X therefore making the overall cost high.

5900k costs $100 more, so you really aren't saving anything, going with it, and a bit cheaper board. Only reason I would recommend a 5900x, is if upgrading an existing, compatible, AM4 rig.

 

[Arbaaz360]

5900k costs $100 more, so you really aren't saving anything, going with it, and a bit cheaper board. Only reason I would recommend a 5900x, is if upgrading an existing, compatible, AM4 rig.

The cost difference between the two over here(India) is $67. But you do have a point. In the overall scheme of things, I might end up paying almost the same amount. To be honest, choosing the motherboard is the most difficult task for me. I know very little about them. Someone in the comments mentioned that B660 should be enough?

 

[logainofhades]

The cost difference between the two over here(India) is $67. But you do have a point. In the overall scheme of things, I might end up paying almost the same amount. To be honest, choosing the motherboard is the most difficult task for me. I know very little about them. Someone in the comments mentioned that B660 should be enough?

Yea, a 12700, non K, and a B660 board would provide very good performance. Just haven't seen any for sale yet.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydgN4W97Esk

 

[geofelt]

You are talking a massive upgrade in cpu performance with any modern processor.
Here is one set of recommendations for premier pro:

Recommended System: Recommended Systems for Adobe Premiere Pro

Our Recommended Systems for Adobe Premiere Pro are application tested and optimized to give you the best performance and reliability. View our hardware recommendations.

www.pugetsystems.com

If budget is an issue, look at the 12600K.
Your i3-6100 has only 4 threads and a passmark rating of 4169/2235. The first number is when all 4 threads are fully utilized. The second is single thread performance.
The single thread is more important than you might think. It makes normal work quicker since many tasks are single threaded.
By comparison, a i5-12600K has 16 threads and a rating of 23949/3946
I7-12700K has 20 threads and a rating of 29688/3909.
The advantage of the 12700K is more threads, and that is only applicable if you have an app that can actually keep 20 threads busy.
The R9 has 24 threads and a rating of 39526/ 3496

Today, DDR4 ram performs about the same as ddr5 ram on intel 12th gen.
But, DDR4 and ddr4 motherboards are much cheaper.
Considering that you will want lots of ram, DDR4 is the way to go.

The 12600K or even the 12700K is not an overly hot processor.
In a well ventilated case, a good air cooler will do the job.
I would avoid liquid unless you would be heavily overclocking and running the processor full out.
Then you would want a 360 aio which will be expensive. A good air cooler will perform the same as a 240 sized aio.

Z690 and B660 motherboards can be found for around $200.
No need for high end enthusiast motherboards.

 

[Arbaaz360]

Yea, a 12700, non K, and a B660 board would provide very good performance. Just haven't seen any for sale yet.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydgN4W97Esk

No I meant 12700k with B660

 

[Arbaaz360]

You are talking a massive upgrade in cpu performance with any modern processor.
Here is one set of recommendations for premier pro:

Recommended System: Recommended Systems for Adobe Premiere Pro

Our Recommended Systems for Adobe Premiere Pro are application tested and optimized to give you the best performance and reliability. View our hardware recommendations.

www.pugetsystems.com

If budget is an issue, look at the 12600K.
Your i3-6100 has only 4 threads and a passmark rating of 4169/2235. The first number is when all 4 threads are fully utilized. The second is single thread performance.
The single thread is more important than you might think. It makes normal work quicker since many tasks are single threaded.
By comparison, a i5-12600K has 16 threads and a rating of 23949/3946
I7-12700K has 20 threads and a rating of 29688/3909.
The advantage of the 12700K is more threads, and that is only applicable if you have an app that can actually keep 20 threads busy.
The R9 has 24 threads and a rating of 39526/ 3496

Today, DDR4 ram performs about the same as ddr5 ram on intel 12th gen.
But, DDR4 and ddr4 motherboards are much cheaper.
Considering that you will want lots of ram, DDR4 is the way to go.

The 12600K or even the 12700K is not an overly hot processor.
In a well ventilated case, a good air cooler will do the job.
I would avoid liquid unless you would be heavily overclocking and running the processor full out.
Then you would want a 360 aio which will be expensive. A good air cooler will perform the same as a 240 sized aio.

Z690 and B660 motherboards can be found for around $200.
No need for high end enthusiast motherboards.

I was leaning towards AMD 5900X but looking at the comments here I believe 12700k would be a better choice. I am not planning on overclocking. The most difficult aspect for me personally is choosing the right motherboard. Could you recommend any specific motherboard? There are so many of both Z690 and B660 and they all differ in price by a great margin even in the same series.

 

[Why_Me]

No I meant 12700k with B660

Wait a another week or two for the rest of the B660 DDR4 boards to show up. This one in the link down below should retail for right around $150 USD.

https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B660M-GAMING-X-AX-DDR4-rev-1x

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-12700f-core-i7-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118359
Intel Core i7-12700F $329.99

https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-cl-p075-al12bl-a/p/N82E16835106666
Thermaltake TOUGHAIR 510 180W TDP CPU Cooler LGA 1700 $44.99

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164177
Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3200MHz 32GB (2x16GB) CL16 $129.99

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...2700f-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html

 

[logainofhades]

No I meant 12700k with B660

12700k is a bit of a waste, in a B660, as you cannot overclock, which is the point of a K series chip.

 

[Arbaaz360]

12700k is a bit of a waste, in a B660, as you cannot overclock, which is the point of a K series chip.

I see your point. To be honest I am not planning on overclocking it as I never have. I am too afraid that I might break something. I am not really sure if overclocking is worth it. I hope Intel releases non K chip soon.

 

[Why_Me]

I see your point. To be honest I am not planning on overclocking it as I never have. I am too afraid that I might break something. I am not really sure if overclocking is worth it. I hope Intel releases non K chip soon.

The i7 12700/12700F is in a few countries now including the US but I haven't seen it in the EU, Australia, India etc ... give it a few weeks.

 

[geofelt]

The K suffix processors are a tad faster than their non K counterparts.
In This msi B660 review, the motherboard performed similarly to the Z690 based motherboards.
Today, unless you are looking to load all available threads, there is little point in overclocking all cores, compared to just letting the turbo boost a few cores when needed.
Looking at what is offered, B660 motherboards are mostly MATX which may not be what is needed.
There are plenty of Z690 motherboards in the $200 price range so

I see your point. To be honest I am not planning on overclocking it as I never have. I am too afraid that I might break something. I am not really sure if overclocking is worth it. I hope Intel releases non K chip soon.

The non K versions of a chip are usually a touch slower, giving a reason to pick the K variant.
Past that, for normal work, one usually does not want to overclock, even if it is possible.
Normal turbo mechanism's of 12th gen will boost a couple of cores past a good overclock.
Normally for gaming or a quick desktop that is what you want.