When is the GTX 800 Series release date?

[renz496]

As i see here they have already released 880M (Notebook version), so i guess it wont take long for the final release of PC version. I hope )

but that 880M is still kepler based. OEM always ask for new part every yearso they will have marketing material saying that "hey we got something new so you should check it out". that's why rebrand/rebadge are running rampant on OEM machine

 

[azzazel_99]

Yep Thats not 20nm maxwell which is what everyone wants. Not 28nm maxwell thats still same tech as kepler.

 

[RobCrezz]

Yep Thats not 20nm maxwell which is what everyone wants. Not 28nm maxwell thats still same tech as kepler.

Its the same manufacturing process, but not the same tech, the architecture is different from Kepler.

 

[azzazel_99]

I understand the architecture is different but the 28nm die with new architect seems silly to buy into when the new architecture with new die size is around the corner. I just have to decide if i wanna spend money on a 2nd 780ti or wait for maxwell.

 

[mr91]

It's based on the Kepler Technology, the 880m is like a under clocked GTX 680.

 

[azzazel_99]

maybe more like a underclocked 780? underclocked 680 seems like an awfully big step backwards considering there are several laptops out there with 770's in them right?

 

[RobCrezz]

maybe more like a underclocked 780? underclocked 680 seems like an awfully big step backwards considering there are several laptops out there with 770's in them right?

He means its using the GK104, which both the desktop 680 and 770 use. Mobile chips are always lower than the desktop equivalents.

 

[mr91]

Based on the gk104 1536 cuda cores 256 bit memory interface

 

[azzazel_99]

oh wow that just seemed like a huge step backwards. Why even call it a 880 then? lol

 

[FunkyFeatures]

I think Maxwell is interesting.
Just not because its this new tech, but because of the powersavings.
It will probably just end up with higher end gpus at the same power, but for now, the power saving is very nice.
Thats the only reason for why i like maxwell

 

[mr91]

Marketing lol

 

[renz496]

maybe more like a underclocked 780? underclocked 680 seems like an awfully big step backwards considering there are several laptops out there with 770's in them right?

it's an overclocked GTX680M

 

[renz496]

oh wow that just seemed like a huge step backwards. Why even call it a 880 then? lol

because OEM ask for it.

 

[renz496]

I understand the architecture is different but the 28nm die with new architect seems silly to buy into when the new architecture with new die size is around the corner. I just have to decide if i wanna spend money on a 2nd 780ti or wait for maxwell.

it seems silly but it might be the most reasonable choice in regards to cost. the initial motives going for much lower process was not only so they can cram more transistor and better power consumption but also to get more working die per wafer meaning cheaper cost per working die. but that cost saving no longer attainable since new nodes will be more expensive than the previous node. not to mention yield issue. and the rumor i heard about the new TSMC 20nm node is it might only give 20%-30% better power consumption than current 28nm node. to get better power efficiency you no longer can rely on process node alone. i think nvidia has been aware about this thing since their disaster with Fermi and TSMC 40nm node.

 

[RobCrezz]

maybe more like a underclocked 780? underclocked 680 seems like an awfully big step backwards considering there are several laptops out there with 770's in them right?

it's an overclocked GTX680M

No its not. The 680M is a 1344 cuda core version of the gk104 (like the desktop 660 ti). The 880M is the full 1536 cuda core version (like the desktop 680).

 

[renz496]

maybe more like a underclocked 780? underclocked 680 seems like an awfully big step backwards considering there are several laptops out there with 770's in them right?

it's an overclocked GTX680M

No its not. The 680M is a 1344 cuda core version of the gk104 (like the desktop 660 ti). The 880M is the full 1536 cuda core version (like the desktop 680).

lol i haven't double check my fact. it is suppose to overclocked 780M.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-gtx-780m/specifications

 

[WoodenSaucer]

How much of a performance difference do you guys think there will be between the desktop standard GTX 880 and the GTX 780 ti? I know there will be a big difference from the straight 780, but what about the 780 ti? I'm betting that when it comes out, the price of the 780 ti will go way down, and I'm wondering how worth it it will be to go with the 880.

 

[renz496]

How much of a performance difference do you guys think there will be between the desktop standard GTX 880 and the GTX 780 ti? I know there will be a big difference from the straight 780, but what about the 780 ti? I'm betting that when it comes out, the price of the 780 ti will go way down, and I'm wondering how worth it it will be to go with the 880.

hmm 20%-30%? or maybe nvidia will wait for AMD to make their move first before deciding what kind of performance they were targeting on the next gen flagship which is usually the case as when both company transition to newer process node. and most likely nvidia will not officially cut the price of 780 Ti when 880 was about to launch. instead they will EOL the card early on and keep the supply tight so the new card will not affect older card price much

 

[WoodenSaucer]

How much of a performance difference do you guys think there will be between the desktop standard GTX 880 and the GTX 780 ti? I know there will be a big difference from the straight 780, but what about the 780 ti? I'm betting that when it comes out, the price of the 780 ti will go way down, and I'm wondering how worth it it will be to go with the 880.

hmm 20%-30%? or maybe nvidia will wait for AMD to make their move first before deciding what kind of performance they were targeting on the next gen flagship which is usually the case as when both company transition to newer process node. and most likely nvidia will not officially cut the price of 780 Ti when 880 was about to launch. instead they will EOL the card early on and keep the supply tight so the new card will not affect older card price much

I'm sure you're probably right about the 780 ti. Do you know if they're introducing a new shader model or anything like that?

 

[mr91]

maybe more like a underclocked 780? underclocked 680 seems like an awfully big step backwards considering there are several laptops out there with 770's in them right?

it's an overclocked GTX680M

No its not. The 680M is a 1344 cuda core version of the gk104 (like the desktop 660 ti). The 880M is the full 1536 cuda core version (like the desktop 680).

 

[mr91]

That's right, I already mentioned that!

 

[renz496]

How much of a performance difference do you guys think there will be between the desktop standard GTX 880 and the GTX 780 ti? I know there will be a big difference from the straight 780, but what about the 780 ti? I'm betting that when it comes out, the price of the 780 ti will go way down, and I'm wondering how worth it it will be to go with the 880.

hmm 20%-30%? or maybe nvidia will wait for AMD to make their move first before deciding what kind of performance they were targeting on the next gen flagship which is usually the case as when both company transition to newer process node. and most likely nvidia will not officially cut the price of 780 Ti when 880 was about to launch. instead they will EOL the card early on and keep the supply tight so the new card will not affect older card price much

I'm sure you're probably right about the 780 ti. Do you know if they're introducing a new shader model or anything like that?

in the latest nvidia roadmap Maxwell was listed as DX12 GPU (at this point there is no confirmation what really happen to unified virtual memory that suppose to come out with maxwell). some DX12 feature like cpu overhead reduction will work with current DX11 hardware but i heard there will be new feature in DX12 that will require new hardware. not much info about it yet right now

 

[WoodenSaucer]

in the latest nvidia roadmap Maxwell was listed as DX12 GPU (at this point there is no confirmation what really happen to unified virtual memory that suppose to come out with maxwell). some DX12 feature like cpu overhead reduction will work with current DX11 hardware but i heard there will be new feature in DX12 that will require new hardware. not much info about it yet right now

If there is, then that alone might be worth going with the 800 series, rather than a 780 ti.

 

[azzazel_99]

i havent heard anything about DX12 requiring any new hardware or tech.

 

[renz496]

DirectX 12 will indeed make lower-level abstraction available (but not mandatory—there will be backward-compatibility with DX11) on existing hardware. However, Tamasi explained that DirectX 12 will introduce a set of new features in addition to the lower-level abstraction, and those features will require new hardware. In his words, Microsoft "only teased" at some of those additions this week, and a "whole bunch more" are coming.

http://techreport.com/news/26210/directx-12-will-also-add-new-features-for-next-gen-gpus