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pretty easy to read on the box or the site what you needed included and which version to buy. if someone found that confusing they probably shouldn't be installing an OS themself.
it was good to have the options when setting up other's PCs depending on what they were using it for and sometimes saving a little money with the basic\starter editions.

p.s. your avatar Les Claypool claymation?
 


Yeah, until you read many, many posts in here about people wanting/having/needing Win 7 Ultimate because 'it's faster'.

And yes, that's the main character from The Neverhood, Klaymen..
 
Thanks for the insightful responses, everybody. That's interesting about the file locks regarding renaming files. Having a basic version and another with many features and built-in programs would be interesting as well. If Microsoft is going to have separate versions of Windows, I'd much prefer for them to be distinguished by this versus arbitrary differences like RAM limits (to 16 GB) and [not] being able to back up to a network drive, etc. Also, it's true that Mac doesn't currently have an equivalent to Aero Snap, but I believe it's adding similar functionality with El Capitan this fall. Mac has cutting and keyboard shortcuts for the clipboard functions too.
 
"Windows 10 will have seven editions" under Microsoft's Windows 10 info homepage. sure it doesn't mean what some of us are hoping with a stripped baseline version available for just work, games, etc. sure they'll all be loaded with APPS and full of Skype garbage.
 


The Windows Insiders group is filled with millions of developers and end-users who have been testing Windows 10 for about a year now.
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It's probably somewhat smart to give the devs a bit of a lead time to get their stuff working on the retail version of windows 10 before the people start to receive the retail version of windows 10 and than start throwing hissy fits because their software doesn't work.
 


The only 2 you need to worry about on a PC as a consumer: Windows 10 Home, and Windows 10 Pro. Simple.

If you're annoyed by the fact that Enterprise, Education, Mobile, Mobile Enterprise, and IoT Core are also available, then we can't help you.

Enterprise: Only available to volume licensing customers. Unless you work in the IT department of a large enterprise (or some medium sized businesses), you're not going to have to worry about this.

Education: Only available to schools via Academic volume licensing. Unless you work in the IT department of a school, you won't have to worry about this.

Mobile and Mobile Enterprise: Unless you're planning to buy a phone running Windows 10 Mobile, or work in the IT department of a business needing the Enterprise version, you won't need to worry about this.

IoT Core: Unless you're working with devices that run Windows Embedded, you won't need to worry about this.

And if you are going to need to worry about any of the ones above, you're *not* going to need to worry about Home and Pro because they won't be suited to that particular application.

And as far as bundling any apps... unless you really haven't been paying attention, the OEM's bundling software with Windows are the one's *not* named Microsoft. Do you have to de-crappify your PC when you install Windows from a disk you bought from a store? I sure haven't. The only complaint I would have is the occasionally massive number of updates I need to do if I don't have the latest install media (or haven't updated it myself as I sometimes do). And they are even trying to make that simpler with Windows 10. I have some minor issues with the way they are going about it, but the recognition and effort are certainly there.
 


Installed latest build of windows 10 this week and absolutely hated it. What the hell, it's even uglier than windows 8.
- No window borders/frame
- A stupid white title bar for all legacy windows,
- Hideous close, maximise,minimise icons in the title bar (disproportional spacing, with no rollover effect)
- Awful skinny font for the windows title text
- icon design in file explorer alone makes me want to vomit
- don't even get me started on the new control panel (designed for children < 5)
I can't believe a graphic designer puts their name to this, aaaaargh it hurts my eyes.

 
To be quite honest, Windows 10 is great! Except when the Music App stops playing its original format, then you have to reset, get all files cleaned out, but, besides that, Its great! P.S. I'm tired, so if I make no sense, you know why.
 
so, you've never used Windows 8\8.1? where do you think those APPS came from that are installed and running. not applications like pre-bundled security or media junk that comes on OEM versions, the APPS that involve MS Store and other crapware. and you can't de-crappify a lot of these new bundled garbage wares like Skype, OneDrive, MS Store, etc.

don't think you even understand the conversation about multiple versions and the crap included. no one claimed to be "worried" about which version to choose. the statements were about wanting a baseline version of 10 that doesn't include social or media junk like Skype, OneDrive, MS Store, Homegroup, etc that is not available.
 


I have three screens on two nVidia cards. Win10 runs them perfectly. I can move windows between them OK although occasionally the mouse does hesitate at the edge and you have to give it an extra nudge.However they just happen to have the same native resolution. Options to show tool bars on one or more screens works too. Could be a driver issue? I use nVidia's Win10 drivers.

 
have a 1440p and a 1080p display attached with Windows 8.1 and latest 10TP. there is no problem using both screens whether in extended or cloned modes. windows transfer from one screen to the other with no problem at all. sounds like your display arrangement isn't set up properly if you can't get a window from one screen to the next.
 


Interestingly, yes you can (for Skype, anyway):
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Are you seriously saying things like OneDrive and Homegroup are social applications?

OneDrive is free cloud storage and file syncing that comes with Windows that's actually really handy if you have multiple Windows devices/computers and don't want/need a separate cloud storage service.

Homegroup is a networking tool so you can have a home network to easily share files between the computers in your house while keeping unauthorized hands off of your files.

Skype is a social application, that's actually really popular and easy to use to keep in touch with friends and family, so why do you dislike it so much?
 
i had a 10130 version of windows 10. and yesterday updated to 10162. i dont know the problem but sudenly all the game is having flicking. i dont know how to resolve this. do you think i should reinstall all my drivers again?
 

I'm guessing the update has simply reset your defaults. Maybe check your monitor frequency/resolution settings and graphics card setup.

 
so what if these APPS and applications are "handy" for certain people for certain things. it does not mean everyone needs or wants them or that they should be running by default. having them available is one thing, forcing them to run whether you want them or not is another.

media and social do not mean the same thing. media includes sharing files between multiple devices, which everyone does not need. and whether they are low-profile background processes or not, you get enough of them running and it does have an impact. onedrive is another media application that no one needs, just a storage\backup sharing option like all the other hundreds available. if you want to use that one then be my guest, but don't make it a required process in Windows.
with skype in particluar, i do not need it to stay in touch so why would i use it? why would i want it if i'm not going to use it? again, it's another thing that should be available but not forced into your Windows installation.

it doesn't matter if you agree that these APPS and applications are a "handy" tool or just an annoyance. the fact is that many users want a very baseline version of Windows for very limited use, like gaming or doing specific work tasks. not for running their whole lives and their social interactions. some people still prefer non-MS options and even non-computer options when it comes to family, friends, and even media.
 
you shouldn't use AMD's or Nvidia's provided driver packages with Windows 10TP. they do not include the DX12 drivers or other optimizations. should only use Windows Update provided drivers until after official release.
that may not be the problem though. using either of AMD drivers from Windows Update or the 15.2 beta with Windows 10TP 10132 and 10162 i get horrible stuttering in Witcher 3. switch to Windows 8.1 and it's fluid 60fps again.
 


I started using the Windows 8 RTM about a month before it shipped. And having those apps on your machine is one thing. You aren't forced to use any of them (and on that specific point, if you love Apple, you're a GIANT hypocrite). I checked them out when I first got 8 set up to see how they worked and decided not to use them. Ordinarily I wouldn't have touched them at all, but I needed to know how they worked because I needed to be able to support them at my job.

If you don't like the apps, it's very simple... don't use them. I still have most of them on my system. Haven't touched many of them since and it hasn't bothered me (or anyone else I know using 8) one bit. You don't need to remove them because they take barely any drive space, and essentially nothing for RAM and CPU cycles because they aren't running in the background (OneDrive does, but it still uses basically nothing for resources, so aside from a possible visual distraction, you won't notice it).

For comparison, what would happen if you went to Apple and told them you wanted the App Store, or iTunes removed from your iPhone? You'd put every person in the store in the hospital from oxygen deprivation because they were laughing at you so hard. The use of the Windows store for Windows 8 apps isn't quite as ubiquitous as the Apple app store, but my point on the footprint of each one is the comparison here. You don't need to de-crappify your Windows 8 system of bundled apps because it's not necessary.

As far as context goes on the multiple versions issue, I was responding directly to the comment you made when I quoted it. Seemed pretty straight forward to me. Unless there is something else way off the map you were getting at with it, I understood completely.

Microsoft strategy (both present and future) in that regard is the best one to go with. Does the layman really want another SKU of Windows 10 to be worrying about (and getting confused by), because 1% of the Windows user base wants something that performs 1% faster with things like the Windows Store removed by default? Microsoft has to do what they think will work best for the majority of their user base. And the majority of their user base consists of 2 groups:

The first are the majority of home users who are completely clueless when it comes to operating the devices their (Microsoft's) software is running on. They don't cater to gamers and power users, no matter how much we might want them to. The other part is businesses, and they have IT departments that can manage all of this for the less technical staff. If a business decides they don't want part of what would be the default experience, they can either use other tools Microsoft provides to customize the environment on their client machines to remove the pieces they don't want, or at the very least, hide them from being easily accessible. Is Microsoft going to let you do this on your home system? In some cases, yes you can use those same tools to modify the setup as you see fit. But if you understand their strategy overall, you understand it's not in their best interest to do what you want here.

Edit: I went through the default apps installed on a Windows 8.1 system and the following apps I was not able to remove:

Camera
OneDrive
Photos
PC Settings (though the reasons for not being able to remove this should be obvious)
Windows Store

Every other app that ships with 8.1 I had no trouble right clicking on it and selecting Uninstall. Don't give me that BS that you can't "de-crappify" your system of bundled apps. Of the 3 examples you mentioned above, one was wrong (confirmed by USAFRet above), and the other two are part of the core experience Microsoft is building in Windows, that again, you aren't forced to use in any way. Don't want to use OneDrive? You don't have to put anything in the OneDrive folder... it won't sync anything else unless you tell it to. Don't want to use the Windows Store? Don't click on it. It doesn't take a significant amount of conscious effort to avoid these apps if you don't want to use them.
 

who the hell mentioned apple? the one time i tried OSX in 2003 it was worse than any previous version of Windows i had used. that lasted about 2 months and was more than likely the last time. how did my writing about wanting slimmed down versions of an operating system bring apple to your mind?

don't come here thinking you have some revelation to lay down that will change everyone's expectations or personal hopes and opinions for an operating system. i started with DOS on an Apple II over 25 years ago so i know what to expect from operating systems and that what i want is unlikely to happen the way that i'd like it to.
you are going to prove me wrong by stating that one of the things totally unneeded on my system can be removed? wow, that's still not the point.
someone has to be pretty ignorant to look at a box that says for "base line version", "home user", "professional user", "corporate user" and to be totally baffled so as to pick the wrong version. you don't have much faith in people's ability to read, maybe you should go into advertising\marketing so you can give us more of the same.

all you seem to be stating is to deal with it, who cares, i like junk on my system.
 
The comparison to Apple was intended to point out the hypocrisy of disliking something about Windows because it's seemingly forced upon you, when that's been Apple stance for a very long time (do it our way, or use Windows or Linux), and many Apple users try to play it up as one of their strengths. Many people who I have dealt with personally have made such an argument. I (apparently incorrectly) assumed you might do the same, though in my defense, I did specify above, *if* you love Apple. Since you seem not to, my hypocrisy accusation doesn't apply.

As far as changing your mind on all of this, you can think whatever you want. There is nothing wrong with me trying to change your mind (or vice versa). You're entitled to your own opinion, just as I or anyone else here is entitled to [strike]mock it[/strike] try to change it.

If you are going to cite a specific example as part of your argument in the realm of bundled crapware, making sure the examples you are citing aren't actually removable might be a good idea. And it's not *the* point, but it's *a* point. I'm not focusing on that part alone.

Regarding the multiple SKU's... to clarify, my argument there is not centered on someone actually buying the wrong edition when there are more SKU's than necessary, it's the initial confusion around deciding which one is right for them. Most home users don't know or care about the feature differences between different Windows SKU's, thus I maintain that having fewer SKU's to choose from as a home user is less confusing and provides a much better experience for the user even before they start using the OS.

And finally, yes. Deal with it. I don't like junk on my system either, but what one considers junk is debatable. If I leave that supposed junkware on my system, does it, or will it in the future, take away from my experience with my Windows install overall? In the case of the preloaded store apps, I say no. The apps can be unpinned from the Start Screen and left to rot in the bowels of the Apps list. So they are out of the way visually, but do they hinder my system's performance even when I can't see them? Again, I say no. I haven't seen a Windows Store app cause a computer to run slow because it was hogging resources running in the background. Not only on my personal systems (all 4 run Windows 8.1), but also at my job. I work in an office of over 1000 people, roughly half of which have Windows 8(.1) on their company owned computers. Not once in dealing with any of those systems have I ever said "hey... the Windows 8 Travel app from the Store was sucking up half of your system RAM and CPU cycles which is why that important spreadsheet took 20 minutes to load this morning". And I doubt I will ever have to...

Your assertion that the Store apps should be removed by default either for everyone, or within a separate SKU of Windows either goes against Microsoft's overall vision of what they want Windows to be and where they are trying to take it in the future, or it unnecessarily causes more confusion among a large part of their user base by having more versions to choose from when buying the standalone product, or with a new PC. One is undesirable for Microsoft, the other is undesirable for us consumers.
 
My experience with the latest build of Windows 10 has been very good.
I have a Lenovo ideapad Z500 with an Ivy Bridge processor. The drivers for Intel's integrated graphics didn't work initially.
But I got it working by uninstalling the Microsoft Basic Display driver and installing the latest driver from Lenovo.

Other than that, the LEDs on the keyboard, the one on the Caps Lock and Number lock button don't work.
 
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